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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>,
	 Jingbo Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, josef@toxicpanda.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,  kernel-team@meta.com,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 15:56:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nvcbtm3b3liqhhkmmbjxg5oakonkcbimf7et2scgwo3zuprigx@ycqf2udv34jl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnrk1bdJ7E1z_fWpXe1VHk6o-ZYdN+WaVpS4W0oz_6MZNPacA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 06, 2024 at 03:37:11PM -0800, Joanne Koong wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 3:38 PM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 02:52:57PM GMT, Joanne Koong wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 1:06 PM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 12:06:49PM GMT, Joanne Koong wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 5:30 PM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Memory pool is a bit confusing term here. Most probably you are asking
> > > > > > about the migrate type of the page block from which tmp page is
> > > > > > allocated from. In a normal system, tmp page would be allocated from page
> > > > > > block with MIGRATE_UNMOVABLE migrate type while the page cache page, it
> > > > > > depends on what gfp flag was used for its allocation. What does fuse fs
> > > > > > use? GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE or something else? Under low memory situation
> > > > > > allocations can get mixed up with different migrate types.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe it's GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE for the page cache pages since
> > > > > fuse doesn't set any additional gfp masks on the inode mapping.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could we just allocate the fuse writeback pages with GFP_HIGHUSER
> > > > > instead of GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE? That would be in fuse_write_begin()
> > > > > where we pass in the gfp mask to __filemap_get_folio(). I think this
> > > > > would give us the same behavior memory-wise as what the tmp pages
> > > > > currently do,
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it would be the same behavior. From what I understand the
> > > > liftime of the tmp page is from the start of the writeback till the ack
> > > > from the fuse server that writeback is done. While the lifetime of the
> > > > page of the page cache can be arbitrarily large. We should just make it
> > > > unmovable for its lifetime. I think it is fine to make the page
> > > > unmovable during the writeback. We should not try to optimize for the
> > > > bad or buggy behavior of fuse server.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the avoidance of wait on writeback for fuse folios, I think we
> > > > can handle the migration similar to how you are handling reclaim and in
> > > > addition we can add a WARN() in folio_wait_writeback() if the kernel ever
> > > > sees a fuse folio in that function.
> > >
> > > Awesome, this is what I'm planning to do in v3 to address migration then:
> > >
> > > 1) in migrate_folio_unmap(), only call "folio_wait_writeback(src);" if
> > > src->mapping does not have the AS_NO_WRITEBACK_WAIT bit set on it (eg
> > > fuse folios will have that AS_NO_WRITEBACK_WAIT bit set)
> > >
> > > 2) in the fuse filesystem's implementation of the
> > > mapping->a_ops->migrate_folio callback, return -EAGAIN if the folio is
> > > under writeback.
> >
> > 3) Add WARN_ONCE() in folio_wait_writeback() if folio->mapping has
> > AS_NO_WRITEBACK_WAIT set and return without waiting.
> 
> For v3, I'm going to change AS_NO_WRITEBACK_RECLAIM to
> AS_WRITEBACK_MAY_BLOCK and skip 3) because 3) may be too restrictive.
> For example, for the sync_file_range() syscall, we do want to wait on
> writeback - it's ok in this case to call folio_wait_writeback() on a
> fuse folio since the caller would have intentionally passed in a fuse
> fd to sync_file_range().
> 

Sounds good.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-06 23:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-14 18:22 [PATCH v2 0/2] fuse: remove extra page copies in writeback Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:22 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: skip reclaiming folios in writeback contexts that may trigger deadlock Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:38   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-14 21:04     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 23:57       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-15 16:59         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:22 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree Joanne Koong
2024-10-15 10:01   ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-15 17:06     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-15 19:17       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-16  9:44         ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-16  9:57           ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16  9:51         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16 17:52           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-16 18:37             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16 21:27               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-17 13:31                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  5:31                   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-21 10:15                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-21 17:01                       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-22 15:03                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-21 21:05                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-24 16:54                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25  1:38                           ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-25 15:32                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-25 17:36                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25 18:02                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-25 18:19                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28  2:02                                   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-25 18:47                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28  2:28                                 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-28 21:57                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25 22:40                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28 21:58                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30  9:32                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 16:04                                     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 16:21                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 17:02                                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 17:27                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 17:35                                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 21:56                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-30 22:17                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 22:51                                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31  0:30                                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-31 19:06                                                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31 20:06                                                         ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-31 21:52                                                           ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31 22:38                                                             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-11-06 23:37                                                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-06 23:56                                                                 ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2024-11-01 11:44                                                             ` Jingbo Xu
2024-11-01 20:54                                                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-04  8:09                                                                 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-29 22:04                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-16  9:56     ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-16 10:00       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  1:30     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-18  5:57       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-18 19:57         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-18 20:46           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-21  9:32       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  9:24   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-18 20:29     ` Joanne Koong

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