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From: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
	npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, usamaarif642@gmail.com,
	gutierrez.asier@huawei-partners.com, willy@infradead.org,
	ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
	ameryhung@gmail.com, rientjes@google.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	21cnbao@gmail.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 mm-new 06/10] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 13:30:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mi5gf7wvm3hjnfm3gkrye5mpzcxlmfkzy55oqhaqdbsnnwxjfc@teia7omm3ujl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250910024447.64788-7-laoar.shao@gmail.com>

* Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com> [250909 22:46]:
> The vma->vm_mm might be NULL and it can be accessed outside of RCU. Thus,
> we can mark it as trusted_or_null. With this change, BPF helpers can safely
> access vma->vm_mm to retrieve the associated mm_struct from the VMA.
> Then we can make policy decision from the VMA.

I don't agree with any of that statement.

How are you getting a vma outside an rcu lock safely?

vmas are RCU type safe so I don't think you can make the statement of
null or trusted.  You can get a vma that has moved to another mm if you
are not careful.

What am I missing?  Surely there is more context to add to this commit
message.

> 
> The lsm selftest must be modified because it directly accesses vma->vm_mm
> without a NULL pointer check; otherwise it will break due to this
> change.
> 
> For the VMA based THP policy, the use case is as follows,
> 
>   @mm = @vma->vm_mm; // vm_area_struct::vm_mm is trusted or null
>   if (!@mm)
>       return;
>   bpf_rcu_read_lock(); // rcu lock must be held to dereference the owner
>   @owner = @mm->owner; // mm_struct::owner is rcu trusted or null
>   if (!@owner)
>     goto out;
>   @cgroup1 = bpf_task_get_cgroup1(@owner, MEMCG_HIERARCHY_ID);
> 
>   /* make the decision based on the @cgroup1 attribute */
> 
>   bpf_cgroup_release(@cgroup1); // release the associated cgroup
> out:
>   bpf_rcu_read_unlock();
> 
> PSI memory information can be obtained from the associated cgroup to inform
> policy decisions. Since upstream PSI support is currently limited to cgroup
> v2, the following example demonstrates cgroup v2 implementation:
> 
>   @owner = @mm->owner;
>   if (@owner) {
>       // @ancestor_cgid is user-configured
>       @ancestor = bpf_cgroup_from_id(@ancestor_cgid);
>       if (bpf_task_under_cgroup(@owner, @ancestor)) {
>           @psi_group = @ancestor->psi;
> 
>         /* Extract PSI metrics from @psi_group and
>          * implement policy logic based on the values
>          */
> 
>       }
>   }
> 
> Signed-off-by: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
> Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> ---
>  kernel/bpf/verifier.c                   | 5 +++++
>  tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/lsm.c | 8 +++++---
>  2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/kernel/bpf/verifier.c b/kernel/bpf/verifier.c
> index d400e18ee31e..b708b98f796c 100644
> --- a/kernel/bpf/verifier.c
> +++ b/kernel/bpf/verifier.c
> @@ -7165,6 +7165,10 @@ BTF_TYPE_SAFE_TRUSTED_OR_NULL(struct socket) {
>  	struct sock *sk;
>  };
>  
> +BTF_TYPE_SAFE_TRUSTED_OR_NULL(struct vm_area_struct) {
> +	struct mm_struct *vm_mm;
> +};
> +
>  static bool type_is_rcu(struct bpf_verifier_env *env,
>  			struct bpf_reg_state *reg,
>  			const char *field_name, u32 btf_id)
> @@ -7206,6 +7210,7 @@ static bool type_is_trusted_or_null(struct bpf_verifier_env *env,
>  {
>  	BTF_TYPE_EMIT(BTF_TYPE_SAFE_TRUSTED_OR_NULL(struct socket));
>  	BTF_TYPE_EMIT(BTF_TYPE_SAFE_TRUSTED_OR_NULL(struct dentry));
> +	BTF_TYPE_EMIT(BTF_TYPE_SAFE_TRUSTED_OR_NULL(struct vm_area_struct));
>  
>  	return btf_nested_type_is_trusted(&env->log, reg, field_name, btf_id,
>  					  "__safe_trusted_or_null");
> diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/lsm.c b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/lsm.c
> index 0c13b7409947..7de173daf27b 100644
> --- a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/lsm.c
> +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/lsm.c
> @@ -89,14 +89,16 @@ SEC("lsm/file_mprotect")
>  int BPF_PROG(test_int_hook, struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>  	     unsigned long reqprot, unsigned long prot, int ret)
>  {
> -	if (ret != 0)
> +	struct mm_struct *mm = vma->vm_mm;
> +
> +	if (ret != 0 || !mm)
>  		return ret;
>  
>  	__s32 pid = bpf_get_current_pid_tgid() >> 32;
>  	int is_stack = 0;
>  
> -	is_stack = (vma->vm_start <= vma->vm_mm->start_stack &&
> -		    vma->vm_end >= vma->vm_mm->start_stack);
> +	is_stack = (vma->vm_start <= mm->start_stack &&
> +		    vma->vm_end >= mm->start_stack);
>  
>  	if (is_stack && monitored_pid == pid) {
>  		mprotect_count++;
> -- 
> 2.47.3
> 
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-11 17:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10  2:44 [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 01/10] mm: thp: remove disabled task from khugepaged_mm_slot Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  5:11   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  7:21   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 17:27   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-11  2:12     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:28       ` Zi Yan
2025-09-11  2:35         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  2:38         ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 13:47         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:48           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 13:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:47     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 12:42   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 12:54     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 13:56       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:48         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  3:04           ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:45         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:42       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:58         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:58           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:28     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 11:53       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:22         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:51   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:03     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-25 10:05   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-25 11:38     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 03/10] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:55   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:20     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 04/10] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:53   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-12  6:21     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 13:48       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:19         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 05/10] bpf: mark mm->owner as __safe_rcu_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 16:04   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 06/10] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 17:08   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 17:30   ` Liam R. Howlett [this message]
2025-09-11 17:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  3:56       ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12  3:50     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 07/10] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 20:44   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-11  2:31     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 08/10] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 09/10] selftests/bpf: add test cases for invalid thp_adjust usage Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 10/10] Documentation: add BPF-based THP policy management Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 11:11 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Lance Yang

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