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From: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Pratyush Yadav" <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	"Alexander Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Changyuan Lyu" <changyuanl@google.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Baoquan He" <bhe@redhat.com>,
	"Pasha Tatashin" <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	"Thomas Weißschuh" <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>,
	"Chris Li" <chrisl@kernel.org>, "Jason Miu" <jasonmiu@google.com>,
	"David Matlack" <dmatlack@google.com>,
	"David Rientjes" <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] kho: introduce the KHO array
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2025 17:40:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mafs0ldmnk522.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250909152814.GL789684@nvidia.com>

Hi Jason,

On Tue, Sep 09 2025, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 04:44:21PM +0200, Pratyush Yadav wrote:
>> The KHO Array is a data structure that behaves like a sparse array of
>> pointers. It is designed to be preserved and restored over Kexec
>> Handover (KHO), and targets only 64-bit platforms. It can store 8-byte
>> aligned pointers. It can also store integers between 0 and LONG_MAX. It
>> supports sparse indices, though it performs best with densely clustered
>> indices.
>
> That is a bit of an understatement, it looks like worst case cost is
> 4k per entry. I would expect better efficiency than this if we are
> serious about supporting sparsity..
>
> I think you need to encode the start pos within the entries in some
> way so worst case cost is bounded to more like 16/24 byte per entry.
>
> For instance if the page was broken up into an array of structs like
>
> struct entries_block {
>   u64 flags:1;
>   u64 num_entries:13
>   u64 pos_increment:50;
>   u64 entries[]; // contiguous pos
> };

Right, good idea. I can look into this. But only if we get an agreement
that this whole idea is worth pursuing. I don't want to waste time on
something that will not make it in at a fundamental level :-)

I think another idea can be run-length encoding to make this even more
efficient. But I have stayed away from that so far since I think that
can get tricky and bug-prone to create and parse.

PS: do you know if bitfield layout is reliable for serialization? Can
different compiler versions move them around? I always thought they can.
If not, I can also use them in memfd code since they make the code
neater.

>
> And if a high 64 bit pos can't be represented with pos_increment then
> you'd have flags = X and entries[0] == pos instead.
>
> Jason

-- 
Regards,
Pratyush Yadav


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-09 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-09 14:44 [RFC PATCH 0/4] " Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-09 14:44 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] " Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-09 15:28   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-09 15:40     ` Pratyush Yadav [this message]
2025-09-09 15:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-09 14:44 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] kho: use KHO array for preserved memory bitmap serialization Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-09 14:44 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] kho: add support for preserving vmalloc allocations Pratyush Yadav
2025-09-09 14:44 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] lib/test_kho: use kho_preserve_vmalloc instead of storing addresses in fdt Pratyush Yadav

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