From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
stable@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rd: Use a private inode for backing storage
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:10:15 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1wsthcatk.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200710211428.55611.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (Nick Piggin's message of "Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:28:55 +1000")
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> writes:
> On Saturday 20 October 2007 08:51, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Currently the ramdisk tries to keep the block device page cache pages
>> from being marked clean and dropped from memory. That fails for
>> filesystems that use the buffer cache because the buffer cache is not
>> an ordinary buffer cache user and depends on the generic block device
>> address space operations being used.
>>
>> To fix all of those associated problems this patch allocates a private
>> inode to store the ramdisk pages in.
>>
>> The result is slightly more memory used for metadata, an extra copying
>> when reading or writing directly to the block device, and changing the
>> software block size does not loose the contents of the ramdisk. Most
>> of all this ensures we don't loose data during normal use of the
>> ramdisk.
>>
>> I deliberately avoid the cleanup that is now possible because this
>> patch is intended to be a bug fix.
>
> This just breaks coherency again like the last patch. That's a
> really bad idea especially for stable (even if nothing actually
> was to break, we'd likely never know about it anyway).
Not a chance. The only way we make it to that inode is through block
device I/O so it lives at exactly the same level in the hierarchy as
a real block device. My patch is the considered rewrite boiled down
to it's essentials and made a trivial patch.
It fundamentally fixes the problem, and doesn't attempt to reconcile
the incompatible expectations of the ramdisk code and the buffer cache.
> Christian's patch should go upstream and into stable. For 2.6.25-6,
> my rewrite should just replace what's there. Using address spaces
> to hold the ramdisk pages just confuses the issue even if they
> *aren't* actually wired up to the vfs at all. Saving 20 lines is
> not a good reason to use them.
Well is more like saving 100 lines. Not having to reexamine complicated
infrastructure code and doing things the same way ramfs is. I think
that combination is a good reason. Especially since I can do with a
16 line patch as I just demonstrated. It is a solid and simple
incremental change.
Eric
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-21 5:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-15 8:28 [PATCH resend] ramdisk: fix zeroed ramdisk pages on memory pressure Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-15 14:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-15 9:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-15 14:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-15 18:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:40 ` [PATCH] rd: Preserve the dirty bit in init_page_buffers() Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:42 ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 7:56 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16 9:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 16:14 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-17 17:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 19:14 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 20:54 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 21:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 22:58 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 23:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 0:03 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-18 3:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 3:59 ` [RFC][PATCH] block: Isolate the buffer cache in it's own mappings Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 4:32 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-19 21:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 4:24 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 4:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 5:36 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 7:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22 0:15 ` David Chinner
2007-10-18 5:10 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-19 21:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 21:48 ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-17 22:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 9:26 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-19 22:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-19 22:51 ` [PATCH] rd: Use a private inode for backing storage Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 4:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 5:10 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2007-10-21 5:24 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 6:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 7:28 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-21 8:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 9:56 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 18:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22 1:56 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-22 13:11 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-21 9:39 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 17:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22 0:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:19 ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:48 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16 19:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 22:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:12 ` [PATCH] rd: Preserve the dirty bit in init_page_buffers() Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 9:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 9:16 ` [PATCH resend] ramdisk: fix zeroed ramdisk pages on memory pressure Andrew Morton
2007-10-15 15:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 3:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 6:45 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 4:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 8:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 7:47 ` [patch][rfc] rewrite ramdisk Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 7:52 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16 8:07 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:17 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16 8:26 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:53 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16 9:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 21:28 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-16 22:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 23:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 0:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17 1:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 1:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17 10:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 12:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17 18:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 1:06 ` Nick Piggin
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