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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9
Date: 17 Sep 2001 09:45:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1adztstw2.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0109170909270.2990-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>

Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br> writes:

> On 17 Sep 2001, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 
> > There is an alternative approach to have better aging information.
> 
> [snip incomplete description of data structure]
> 
> What you didn't explain is how your idea is related to
> aging.

Sorry I thought you had been staring at the problem long enough to
see.  In any case the problem with the current code is that you can't
put all pages in the swap cache immediately because you don't want to
allocate the swap space just yet.  And without being in the swap cache
aging isn't especially effective.

By using something like a shared memory segment behind every anonymous
page, you can put the page in the swap cache before you allocate swap
for it (because it has a persistent identity).   Further since you no
longer need counts for every swap page.  You can deallocate swap space
from pages simply by walking through the ``indirect pages'' and
removing the reference to swap space.

> > > For 2.5 I'm making a VM subsystem with reverse mappings, the
> > > first iterations are giving very sweet performance so I will
> > > continue with this project regardless of what other kernel
> > > hackers might say ;)
> >
> > Do you have any arguments for the reverse mappings or just for some of
> > the other side effects that go along with them?
> 
> Mainly for the side effects, but until somebody comes
> up with another idea to achieve all the side effects I'm
> not giving up on reverse mappings. If you can achieve
> all the good stuff in another way, show it.

I think I can I haven't had time to implement it.  Given the way Alan
and some of the others were talking I though my idea has long ago been
thought of and put on the plate for 2.5.  If it really is a new idea
under the sun I'll look at implementing it as soon as I have a hole
in my schedule.

Eric
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-17 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0109161330000.9536-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
2001-09-17  8:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 12:12   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:45     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2001-09-17 15:40 Rob Fuller
2001-09-17 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19  9:45   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-19 19:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 21:03       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:04         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 23:05           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-20 11:28           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-20 12:06             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:13               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-21 12:10                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 15:27                 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22  7:09                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-25 11:04                     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-20 12:57             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-20 13:40               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 22:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-26 18:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-26 23:44               ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-27 13:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-01 11:37                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-19 23:00         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-21 12:01             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22  2:14             ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-22  3:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-19 21:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 21:55         ` David S. Miller
2001-09-20 13:02           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-19 22:15 Rob Fuller
2001-09-19 22:21 ` David S. Miller
2001-09-19 22:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:51 ` Bryan O'Sullivan

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