From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
kernel-team@fb.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] Re: [PATCH v8 15/19] mm: don't allow huge faults for files with pre content watches
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:41:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <l5apiabdjosyy4gfuenr4oqdfio3zdiajzxoekdgtsohzpn3mj@dcmvayncbye4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250202-abbauen-meerrettich-912513202ce4@brauner>
On Sun 02-02-25 11:04:02, Christian Brauner wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 08:46:21AM +0100, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 1:58 AM Linus Torvalds
> > <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 at 06:38, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, but those "device fds" aren't really device fds in the sense that
> > > > they are character fds. They are regular files afaict from:
> > > >
> > > > vfio_device_open_file(struct vfio_device *device)
> > > >
> > > > (Well, it's actually worse as anon_inode_getfile() files don't have any
> > > > mode at all but that's beside the point.)?
> > > >
> > > > In any case, I think you're right that such files would (accidently?)
> > > > qualify for content watches afaict. So at least that should probably get
> > > > FMODE_NONOTIFY.
> > >
> > > Hmm. Can we just make all anon_inodes do that? I don't think you can
> > > sanely have pre-content watches on anon-inodes, since you can't really
> > > have access to them to _set_ the content watch from outside anyway..
> > >
> > > In fact, maybe do it in alloc_file_pseudo()?
> > >
> >
> > The problem is that we cannot set FMODE_NONOTIFY -
> > we tried that once but it regressed some workloads watching
> > write on pipe fd or something.
>
> Ok, that might be true. But I would assume that most users of
> alloc_file_pseudo() or the anonymous inode infrastructure will not care
> about fanotify events. I would not go for a separate helper. It'd be
> nice to keep the number of file allocation functions low.
>
> I'd rather have the subsystems that want it explicitly opt-in to
> fanotify watches, i.e., remove FMODE_NONOTIFY. Because right now we have
> broken fanotify support for e.g., nsfs already. So make the subsystems
> think about whether they actually want to support it.
Agreed, that would be a saner default.
> I would disqualify all anonymous inodes and see what actually does
> break. I naively suspect that almost no one uses anonymous inodes +
> fanotify. I'd be very surprised.
>
> I'm currently traveling (see you later btw) but from a very cursory
> reading I would naively suspect the following:
>
> // Suspects for FMODE_NONOTIFY
> drivers/dma-buf/dma-buf.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, dma_buf_mnt, "dmabuf",
> drivers/misc/cxl/api.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, cxl_vfs_mount, name,
> drivers/scsi/cxlflash/ocxl_hw.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, ocxlflash_vfs_mount, name,
> fs/anon_inodes.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, anon_inode_mnt, name,
> fs/hugetlbfs/inode.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, mnt, name, O_RDWR,
> kernel/bpf/token.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, path.mnt, BPF_TOKEN_INODE_NAME, O_RDWR, &bpf_token_fops);
> mm/secretmem.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, secretmem_mnt, "secretmem",
> block/bdev.c: bdev_file = alloc_file_pseudo_noaccount(BD_INODE(bdev),
> drivers/tty/pty.c: static int ptmx_open(struct inode *inode, struct file *filp)
>
> // Suspects for ~FMODE_NONOTIFY
> fs/aio.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, aio_mnt, "[aio]",
This is just a helper file for managing aio context so I don't think any
notification makes sense there (events are not well defined). So I'd say
FMODE_NONOTIFY here as well.
> fs/pipe.c: f = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, pipe_mnt, "",
> mm/shmem.c: res = alloc_file_pseudo(inode, mnt, name, O_RDWR,
This is actually used for stuff like IPC SEM where notification doesn't
make sense. It's also used when mmapping /dev/zero but that struct file
isn't easily accessible to userspace so overall I'd say this should be
FMODE_NONOTIFY as well.
> // Unsure:
> fs/nfs/nfs4file.c: filep = alloc_file_pseudo(r_ino, ss_mnt, read_name, O_RDONLY,
AFAICS this struct file is for copy offload and doesn't leave the kernel.
Hence FMODE_NONOTIFY should be fine.
> net/socket.c: file = alloc_file_pseudo(SOCK_INODE(sock), sock_mnt, dname,
In this case I think we need to be careful. It's a similar case as pipes so
probably we should use ~FMODE_NONOTIFY here from pure caution.
Honza
--
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-03 12:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-15 15:30 [PATCH v8 00/19] fanotify: add pre-content hooks Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 01/19] fs: get rid of __FMODE_NONOTIFY kludge Josef Bacik
2024-11-18 18:14 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 02/19] fsnotify: opt-in for permission events at file open time Josef Bacik
2024-11-20 15:53 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-20 16:12 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-21 9:39 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-21 10:09 ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-21 11:04 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-21 11:16 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-21 11:32 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-21 9:45 ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-21 11:39 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 03/19] fsnotify: add helper to check if file is actually being watched Josef Bacik
2024-11-20 16:02 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-20 16:42 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-21 8:54 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 04/19] fanotify: don't skip extra event info if no info_mode is set Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 05/19] fanotify: rename a misnamed constant Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 06/19] fanotify: reserve event bit of deprecated FAN_DIR_MODIFY Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 07/19] fsnotify: introduce pre-content permission events Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 08/19] fsnotify: pass optional file access range in pre-content event Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 09/19] fsnotify: generate pre-content permission event on truncate Josef Bacik
2024-11-20 15:23 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-20 15:57 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-20 16:16 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 10/19] fanotify: introduce FAN_PRE_ACCESS permission event Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:59 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-21 10:44 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-21 14:18 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-21 16:36 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-21 18:31 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-21 18:37 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-22 12:42 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-22 13:51 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-27 12:18 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-27 12:20 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 11/19] fanotify: report file range info with pre-content events Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 12/19] fanotify: allow to set errno in FAN_DENY permission response Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 13/19] fanotify: add a helper to check for pre content events Josef Bacik
2024-11-20 15:44 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-20 16:43 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 14/19] fanotify: disable readahead if we have pre-content watches Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 15/19] mm: don't allow huge faults for files with pre content watches Josef Bacik
2025-01-31 19:17 ` [REGRESSION] " Alex Williamson
2025-01-31 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-01 1:19 ` Peter Xu
2025-02-01 14:38 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-02 0:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-02 7:46 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-02-02 10:04 ` Christian Brauner
2025-02-03 12:41 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2025-02-03 20:39 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-02-03 21:41 ` Alex Williamson
2025-02-03 22:04 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 16/19] fsnotify: generate pre-content permission event on page fault Josef Bacik
2024-12-08 16:58 ` Klara Modin
2024-12-09 10:45 ` Aithal, Srikanth
2024-12-09 12:34 ` Jan Kara
2024-12-09 12:31 ` Jan Kara
2024-12-09 12:56 ` Klara Modin
2024-12-09 14:16 ` Jan Kara
2024-12-10 21:12 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-12-11 16:30 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 17/19] xfs: add pre-content fsnotify hook for write faults Josef Bacik
2024-11-21 10:22 ` Jan Kara
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 18/19] btrfs: disable defrag on pre-content watched files Josef Bacik
2024-11-15 15:30 ` [PATCH v8 19/19] fs: enable pre-content events on supported file systems Josef Bacik
2024-11-21 11:29 ` [PATCH v8 00/19] fanotify: add pre-content hooks Jan Kara
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