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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
To: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 01/17] zram: switch to non-atomic entry locking
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 21:39:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <kyqwtxgltcphcbpenzzyyhfqvmue62rjpluvj3y26fecgyv3h6@z5fgbemyk237> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ckfp5umjjqr3vmfxwfvih4whptp2b6my6bpmji22t3um6ah23p@6cmjt5ah5zbb>

On (25/02/03 12:21), Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> On (25/01/31 19:41), Hillf Danton wrote:
> > On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:06:00 +0900 Sergey Senozhatsky
> > > Concurrent modifications of meta table entries is now handled
> > > by per-entry spin-lock.  This has a number of shortcomings.
> > > 
> > > First, this imposes atomic requirements on compression backends.
> > > zram can call both zcomp_compress() and zcomp_decompress() under
> > > entry spin-lock, which implies that we can use only compression
> > > algorithms that don't schedule/sleep/wait during compression and
> > > decompression.  This, for instance, makes it impossible to use
> > > some of the ASYNC compression algorithms (H/W compression, etc.)
> > > implementations.
> > > 
> > > Second, this can potentially trigger watchdogs.  For example,
> > > entry re-compression with secondary algorithms is performed
> > > under entry spin-lock.  Given that we chain secondary
> > > compression algorithms and that some of them can be configured
> > > for best compression ratio (and worst compression speed) zram
> > > can stay under spin-lock for quite some time.
> > > 
> > > Do not use per-entry spin-locks and instead convert it to an
> > > atomic_t variable which open codes reader-writer type of lock.
> > > This permits preemption from slot_lock section, also reduces
> > > the sizeof() zram entry when lockdep is enabled.
> > > 
> > Nope, the price of cut in size will be paid by extra hours in debugging,
> > given nothing is free.
> 
> This has been a bit-spin-lock basically forever, until late last
> year when it was switched to a spinlock, for reasons unrelated
> to debugging (as far as I understand it).  See 9518e5bfaae19 (zram:
> Replace bit spinlocks with a spinlock_t).

Just want to clarify a little:

That "also reduces sizeof()" thing was added last minute (I think before
sending v4 out) and it was not an intention of this patch.  I just recalled
that sizeof() zram entry under lockdep was brought by linux-rt folks when
they discussed the patch that converter zram entry bit-spinlock into a
spinlock, and then I just put that line.

> > > -static void zram_slot_unlock(struct zram *zram, u32 index)
> > > +static void zram_slot_read_unlock(struct zram *zram, u32 index)
> > >  {
> > > -	spin_unlock(&zram->table[index].lock);
> > > +	atomic_dec(&zram->table[index].lock);
> > >  }
> > >  
> > Given no boundaries of locking section marked in addition to lockdep, 
> > this is another usual case of inventing lock in 2025.
> 
> So zram entry has been memory-saving driver, pretty much always, and not
> debug-ability driver, I'm afraid.

Before zram per-entry bit-spinlock there was a zram table rwlock, that
protected all zram meta table entries.  And before that there was a
per-zram device rwsem that synchronized all operation and protected
the entire zram meta table, so zram was fully preemptible back then.
Kind of interesting, that's what I want it to be now again.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-03 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-31  9:05 [PATCHv4 00/17] zsmalloc/zram: there be preemption Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 01/17] zram: switch to non-atomic entry locking Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31 11:41   ` Hillf Danton
2025-02-03  3:21     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-03  3:52       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-03 12:39       ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2025-01-31 22:55   ` Andrew Morton
2025-02-03  3:26     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-03  7:11       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-03  7:33         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-04  0:19       ` Andrew Morton
2025-02-04  4:22         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06  7:01     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06  7:38       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-06  7:47         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06  8:13           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-06  8:17             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06  8:26               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-06  8:29                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 02/17] zram: do not use per-CPU compression streams Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-01  9:21   ` Kairui Song
2025-02-03  3:49     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-03 21:00       ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-06 12:26         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06  6:55       ` Kairui Song
2025-02-06  7:22         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06  8:22           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06 16:16           ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-07  2:56             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-07  6:12               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-07 21:07                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-08 16:20                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-08 16:41                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-09  6:22                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-09  7:42                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 03/17] zram: remove crypto include Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 04/17] zram: remove max_comp_streams device attr Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 05/17] zram: remove two-staged handle allocation Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 06/17] zram: permit reclaim in zstd custom allocator Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 07/17] zram: permit reclaim in recompression handle allocation Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 08/17] zram: remove writestall zram_stats member Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 09/17] zram: limit max recompress prio to num_active_comps Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 10/17] zram: filter out recomp targets based on priority Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 11/17] zram: unlock slot during recompression Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 12/17] zsmalloc: factor out pool locking helpers Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31 15:46   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-03  4:57     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 13/17] zsmalloc: factor out size-class " Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 14/17] zsmalloc: make zspage lock preemptible Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31 15:51   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-03  3:13     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-03  4:56       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-03 21:11       ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-04  6:59         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-04 17:19           ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-05  2:43             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-05 19:06               ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-06  3:05                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06  3:28                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-06 16:19                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-07  2:48                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-07 21:09                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-12  5:00                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-12 15:35                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-13  2:18                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-13  2:57                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-13  7:21                                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-13  8:22                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-13 15:25                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-14  3:33                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 15/17] zsmalloc: introduce new object mapping API Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 16/17] zram: switch to new zsmalloc " Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-31  9:06 ` [PATCHv4 17/17] zram: add might_sleep to zcomp API Sergey Senozhatsky

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