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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	 Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] vmalloc: Account memcg per vmalloc
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:32:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <keho5no2wg666yjtkb5lflxwezgbzavue5ytydqm7pm7w62ctt@q6zg7t56gf4b> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z1nC3138biX0J1DJ@casper.infradead.org>

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 04:50:39PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 11:09:56AM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > This would work, but it seems somewhat complicated. The atomics in
> > memcg charging and the vmstat updates are batched, and the per-page
> > overhead is for the most part cheap per-cpu ops. Not an issue per se.
> 
> OK, fair enough, I hadn't realised it was a percpu-refcount.  Still,
> we might consume several batches (batch size of 64) when we could do it
> all in one shot.
> 
> Perhaps you'd be more persuaded by:
> 
> (a) If we clear __GFP_ACCOUNT then alloc_pages_bulk() will work, and
> that's a pretty significant performance win over calling alloc_pages()
> in a loop.
> 
> (b) Once we get to memdescs, calling alloc_pages() with __GFP_ACCOUNT
> set is going to require allocating a memdesc to store the obj_cgroup
> in, so in the future we'll save an allocation.
> 
> Your proposed alternative will work and is way less churn.  But it's
> not preparing us for memdescs ;-)

We can make alloc_pages_bulk() work with __GFP_ACCOUNT but your second
argument is more compelling.

I am trying to think of what will we miss if we remove this per-page
memcg metadata. One thing I can think of is debugging a live system
or kdump where I need to track where a given page came from. I think
memory profiling will still be useful in combination with going through
all vmalloc regions where this page is mapped (is there an easy way to
tell if a page is from a vmalloc region?). So, for now I think we will
have alternative way to extract the useful information.

I think we can go with Johannes' solution for stable and discuss the
future direction more separately.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-11 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-11  4:32 [PATCH 1/2] vmalloc: Fix accounting of VmallocUsed with i915 Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2024-12-11  4:32 ` [PATCH 2/2] vmalloc: Account memcg per vmalloc Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2024-12-11  5:06   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 16:09   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-12-11 16:50     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-11 19:32       ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2024-12-11 20:20         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-11 20:58           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 21:08             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-11 22:17   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-11 23:36   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-11 15:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] vmalloc: Fix accounting of VmallocUsed with i915 Johannes Weiner
2024-12-11 20:45 ` Shakeel Butt

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