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From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	jack@suse.cz,  Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	 "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:10:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jf6dh7icf4vt4dgt4o2h6xvvdlyjewa5wmtn6brumh2tqzlrts@lb7xxthxh7uc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ut5zfyvpkigjqev43kttxhxmpgnbkfs4vdqhe4dpxr6wnsx6ct@qmrazzu3fxyx>

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 04:44:01PM GMT, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> No, I explained why GFP_NORECLAIM/PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM can absolutely
> apply to a context, not a callsite, and why vmalloc() and kvmalloc()
> ignoring gfp flags is a much more serious issue.
> 
> If you want to do something useful, figure out what we're going to do
> about _that_. If you really don't want PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM to exist,
> then see if Linus will let you plumb gfp flags down to pte allocation -
> and beware, that's arch code that you'll have to fix.
> 
> Reminder: kvmalloc() is a thing, and it's steadily seeing wider use.
> 
> Otherwise, PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM needs to stay; and thank you for
> bringing this to my attention, because it's made me realize all the
> other places in bcachefs that use gfp flags for allocating memory with
> btree locks held need to be switch to memalloc_flags_do().

Additionally: plumbing gfp flags to pte allocation is something we do
need to do. I proposed it before kvmalloc() was a thing, but now it's
become much more of a lurking landmine.

Even with that I'd still be against this series, though. GFP_NOFAIL
interacting badly with other gfp/memalloc flags is going to continue to
be an issue, and I think the only answer to that is stricter runtime
checks (which, thank you mm guys for adding recently).


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-26 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-26  8:47 [PATCH 0/2] get rid of PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26  8:47 ` [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:11   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 16:48     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:39   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:42       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:47         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:54           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:44       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:58     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 20:00       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 20:27         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 20:43           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 21:10             ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2024-08-27  6:01             ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-27  6:40               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27  6:58                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-27  7:05                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27  7:35                     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:52   ` kernel test robot
2024-08-26 20:53   ` kernel test robot
2024-08-27  2:23   ` kernel test robot
2024-08-27  6:15   ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] " Michal Hocko
2024-08-27 12:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-28  4:09     ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 10:02       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 13:12         ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 13:22           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 13:32           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 14:03             ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02  0:23             ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-02  1:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02  8:41                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  8:52                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02  9:39                     ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  9:51                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02 14:07                         ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-09-04 18:01                         ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 20:34                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 21:12                             ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 21:20                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 21:37                                 ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 22:21                                   ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 22:39                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 22:55                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 23:21                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 23:47                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-11-20 23:57                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21  0:10                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21  4:25                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21  4:53                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 23:53                                             ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-22  6:51                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-22 12:06                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21 21:32                                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2024-11-22  9:47                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-11-21  5:51                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21  8:43                                       ` review process (was: underalated stuff) Michal Hocko
2024-11-21  9:03                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 20:17                                       ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Simona Vetter
2024-11-21 21:26                                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2024-11-22 21:48                         ` Dan Williams
2024-11-22 22:02                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29  9:37   ` [PATCH 1/2] " Jan Kara
2024-08-26  8:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: drop PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:48   ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-26 16:54     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:59   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 16:51     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 17:49       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:18         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:20           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-28  4:11           ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 21:45           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-26 19:04   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27 12:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-02  9:51 [PATCH 0/2 v2] remove PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  9:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-09-05  9:28   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-26 17:11 [PATCH 0/2 v3] remove PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-09-26 17:11 ` [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko

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