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From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	 "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	 Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 2/2] mm/truncate: Unmap large folio on split failure
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 17:10:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <iqzgqvkin6istylyqqias7bwulhh2s6l6aqepssk6ptfu5dddy@q2rfk3wewcbz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251029151947.GM6174@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 08:19:47AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 10:21:53AM +0000, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 02:12:48AM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2025, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 03:10:29AM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > 
> > > > > Aside from shmem/tmpfs, it does seem to me that this patch is
> > > > > doing more work than it needs to (but how many lines of source
> > > > > do we want to add to avoid doing work in the failed split case?):
> > > > > 
> > > > > The intent is to enable SIGBUS beyond EOF: but the changes are
> > > > > being applied unnecessarily to hole-punch in addition to truncation.
> > > > 
> > > > I am not sure much it should apply to hole-punch. Filesystem folks talk
> > > > about writing to a folio beyond round_up(i_size, PAGE_SIZE) being
> > > > problematic for correctness. I have no clue if the same applies to
> > > > writing to hole-punched parts of the folio.
> > > > 
> > > > Dave, any comments?
> > > > 
> > > > Hm. But if it is problematic it has be caught on fault. We don't do
> > > > this. It will be silently mapped.
> > > 
> > > There are strict rules about what happens beyond i_size, hence this
> > > patch.  But hole-punch has no persistent "i_size" to define it, and
> > > silently remapping in a fresh zeroed page is the correct behaviour.
> > 
> > I missed that we seems to be issuing vm_ops->page_mkwrite() on remaping
> > the page, so it is not completely silent for filesystem and can do its
> > thing to re-allocate metadata (or whatever) after hole-punch.
> > 
> > So, I see unmap on punch-hole being justified.
> 
> Most hole punching implementations in filesystems will take i_rwsem and
> mmap_invalidate lock, flush the range to disk and unmap the pagecache
> for all the fsblocks around that range, and only then update the file
> space mappings.  If the unmap fails because a PMD couldn't be split,
> then we'll just return that error to userspace and they can decide what
> to do when fallocate() fails.

Unmap does not fail and PMD can be split at any time. But split of large
folios can fail if there's an external pin on it.

-- 
  Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-29 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-23  9:32 [PATCHv2 0/2] Fix SIGBUS semantics with large folios Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23  9:32 ` [PATCHv2 1/2] mm/memory: Do not populate page table entries beyond i_size Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 20:49   ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-23 20:54     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 21:36       ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-24  9:26         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-26  4:54           ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-24 15:42   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 19:32     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-10-27  9:34       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27  8:20   ` Hugh Dickins
2025-10-27  9:14     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-27  9:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-29  8:31       ` Hugh Dickins
2025-10-29 10:11         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-30  5:59           ` Hugh Dickins
2025-10-30 17:08             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23  9:32 ` [PATCHv2 2/2] mm/truncate: Unmap large folio on split failure Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 20:56   ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-24  9:05     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-24 15:43   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27 10:10   ` Hugh Dickins
2025-10-27 10:38     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27 10:40     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-29  9:12       ` Hugh Dickins
2025-10-29 10:21         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-29 15:19           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-29 17:10             ` Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]
2025-10-23 17:47 ` [PATCHv2 0/2] Fix SIGBUS semantics with large folios Darrick J. Wong

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