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From: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: zhongjinji <zhongjinji@honor.com>,
	mhocko@suse.com, rientjes@google.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	liulu.liu@honor.com, feng.han@honor.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/2] mm/oom_kill: Have the OOM reaper and exit_mmap() traverse the maple tree in opposite order
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 11:21:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ip7al6pv3nm54raaptrxq3v4t7cpilqgppkezowzn2sfbjax65@qt72zuotrwnw> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bcabe7cb-d09c-4789-ae39-407b2e0653da@lucifer.local>

* Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> [250826 09:50]:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 09:37:22AM -0400, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> > I really don't think this is worth doing.  We're avoiding a race between
> > oom and a task unmap - the MMF bits should be used to avoid this race -
> > or at least mitigate it.
> 
> Yes for sure, as explored at length in previous discussions this feels like
> we're papering over cracks here.
> 
> _However_, I'm sort of ok with a minimalistic fix that solves the proximate
> issue even if it is that, as long as it doesn't cause issues in doing so.
> 
> So this is my take on the below and why I'm open to it!
> 
> >
> > They are probably both under the read lock, but considering how rare it
> > would be, would a racy flag check be enough - it is hardly critical to
> > get right.  Either would reduce the probability.
> 
> Zongjinji - I'm stil not sure that you've really indicated _why_ you're
> seeing such a tight and unusual race. Presumably some truly massive number
> of tasks being OOM'd and unmapping but... yeah that seems odd anyway.
> 
> But again, if we can safely fix this in a way that doesn't hurt stuff too
> much I'm ok with it (of course, these are famous last words in the kernel
> often...!)
> 
> Liam - are you open to a solution on the basis above, or do you feel we
> ought simply to fix the underlying issue here?

At least this is a benign race.  I'd think using MMF_ to reduce the race
would achieve the same goal with less risk - which is why I bring it up.

Really, both methods should be low risk, so I'm fine with either way.

But I am interested in hearing how this race is happening enough to
necessitate a fix.  Reversing the iterator is a one-spot fix - if this
happens elsewhere then we're out of options.  Using the MMF_ flags is
more of a scalable fix, if it achieves the same results.

> 
> to me we're at a simple enough implementaiton of this (esp. utilising the
> helper you mention) that probably kthis is fine (like the meme,
> or... hopefully not :)
> 
> I will go with your judgment here!
> 
> Cheers, Lorenzo


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-26 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-25 13:38 [PATCH v5 0/2] Do not delay oom reaper when the victim is frozen zhongjinji
2025-08-25 13:38 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] mm/oom_kill: " zhongjinji
2025-08-25 19:41   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-26 13:01     ` zhongjinji
2025-08-26 12:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-27 12:08   ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-27 12:14     ` zhongjinji
2025-08-25 13:38 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] mm/oom_kill: Have the OOM reaper and exit_mmap() traverse the maple tree in opposite order zhongjinji
2025-08-26 12:53   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-26 13:37     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-08-26 13:50       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-26 15:21         ` Liam R. Howlett [this message]
2025-08-26 22:26           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-27  4:12             ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-08-27  4:25               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-08-27  9:55               ` zhongjinji
2025-08-27 15:57                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-28  0:38                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-08-29  7:11               ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-29  7:14     ` Michal Hocko

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