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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Boris Burkov <boris@bur.io>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,  linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 kernel-team@fb.com, wqu@suse.com, mhocko@kernel.org,
	muchun.song@linux.dev,  roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: add vmstat for cgroup uncharged pages
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 18:25:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <i4hg4g75ywbera643uhtshkj6xrriqi4mi5dg3oga5os3tp6m5@u2dcv2snbiqs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aKUM49I-4D24MmwZ@casper.infradead.org>

On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 12:46:43AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 08:53:59AM -0700, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > My initial thinking was based on Qu's original proposal which was using
> > root memcg where there will not be any difference between accounted
> > file pages and system wide file pages. However with Boris's change, we
> > can actually get the estimate, as you pointed out, by subtracting the
> > number of accounted file pages from system wide number of file pages.
> > 
> > However I still think we should keep this new metric because of
> > performance reason. To get accounted file pages, we need to read
> > memory.stat of the root memcg which can be very expensive. Basically it
> > may have to flush the rstat update trees on all the CPUs on the system.
> > Since this new metric will be used to calculate system overhead, the
> > high cost will limit how frequently a user can query the latest stat.
> 
> OK, but couldn't we make that argument for anything else?  Like slab,
> say.  Why's "file" memory different?

Good point and I think it does apply to other memory types too. I would
call "file" memory to be more important as it is one of the largest
consumer of DRAM on, at least, Meta infra. Slab needs a bit more thought.
At the system level (i.e. /proc/meminfo), we account at the page (or
slab) level while for memcg, we account per-object (plus obj_cgroup
pointer).


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-20  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-19  0:36 [PATCH v3 0/4] introduce uncharged file mapped folios Boris Burkov
2025-08-19  0:36 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm/filemap: add AS_UNCHARGED Boris Burkov
2025-08-19  2:46   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-19  3:57     ` Boris Burkov
2025-08-20 22:06   ` Klara Modin
2025-08-20 22:22     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-20 22:52     ` Boris Burkov
2025-08-20 23:15       ` Klara Modin
2025-08-20 23:53       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-21 19:37         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-19  0:36 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: add vmstat for cgroup uncharged pages Boris Burkov
2025-08-19  2:50   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-19  4:05     ` Boris Burkov
2025-08-19 15:53     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-19 23:46       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-20  1:25         ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2025-08-20 13:19           ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-20 16:21             ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-19  0:36 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] btrfs: set AS_UNCHARGED on the btree_inode Boris Burkov
2025-08-19  0:36 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] memcg: remove warning from folio_lruvec Boris Burkov
2025-08-19  2:41   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-19  5:20     ` Andrew Morton

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