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From: Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,  ziy@nvidia.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	richard.weiyang@gmail.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vernon Yang <yanglincheng@kylinos.cn>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,  david@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/6] mm: khugepaged: skip lazy-free folios at scanning
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 16:36:48 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <hkswa6klm7vizw77ldhchjkrbjhtl7ystvez764sif4v6onbij@i5y4ngzmyvgy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4wXg_jZQ+RTK=zR2vohijz7A+RU9nXdp2CDmyE=Zyvu8Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 06, 2026 at 11:33:35PM +1300, Barry Song wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 1:31 AM Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 11:35:58AM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2026/1/5 11:12, Vernon Yang wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 10:51 AM Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2026/1/5 09:48, Vernon Yang wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2026 at 08:10:17PM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2026/1/4 13:41, Vernon Yang wrote:
> > > > > > > > For example, create three task: hot1 -> cold -> hot2. After all three
> > > > > > > > task are created, each allocate memory 128MB. the hot1/hot2 task
> > > > > > > > continuously access 128 MB memory, while the cold task only accesses
> > > > > > > > its memory briefly andthen call madvise(MADV_FREE). However, khugepaged
> > > > > > > > still prioritizes scanning the cold task and only scans the hot2 task
> > > > > > > > after completing the scan of the cold task.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So if the user has explicitly informed us via MADV_FREE that this memory
> > > > > > > > will be freed, it is appropriate for khugepaged to skip it only, thereby
> > > > > > > > avoiding unnecessary scan and collapse operations to reducing CPU
> > > > > > > > wastage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here are the performance test results:
> > > > > > > > (Throughput bigger is better, other smaller is better)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Testing on x86_64 machine:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > | task hot2           | without patch | with patch    |  delta  |
> > > > > > > > |---------------------|---------------|---------------|---------|
> > > > > > > > | total accesses time |  3.14 sec     |  2.93 sec     | -6.69%  |
> > > > > > > > | cycles per access   |  4.96         |  2.21         | -55.44% |
> > > > > > > > | Throughput          |  104.38 M/sec |  111.89 M/sec | +7.19%  |
> > > > > > > > | dTLB-load-misses    |  284814532    |  69597236     | -75.56% |
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Testing on qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > | task hot2           | without patch | with patch    |  delta  |
> > > > > > > > |---------------------|---------------|---------------|---------|
> > > > > > > > | total accesses time |  3.35 sec     |  2.96 sec     | -11.64% |
> > > > > > > > | cycles per access   |  7.29         |  2.07         | -71.60% |
> > > > > > > > | Throughput          |  97.67 M/sec  |  110.77 M/sec | +13.41% |
> > > > > > > > | dTLB-load-misses    |  241600871    |  3216108      | -98.67% |
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Vernon Yang <yanglincheng@kylinos.cn>
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > >     include/trace/events/huge_memory.h | 1 +
> > > > > > > >     mm/khugepaged.c                    | 6 ++++++
> > > > > > > >     2 files changed, 7 insertions(+)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/include/trace/events/huge_memory.h b/include/trace/events/huge_memory.h
> > > > > > > > index 01225dd27ad5..e99d5f71f2a4 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/include/trace/events/huge_memory.h
> > > > > > > > +++ b/include/trace/events/huge_memory.h
> > > > > > > > @@ -25,6 +25,7 @@
> > > > > > > >      EM( SCAN_PAGE_LRU,              "page_not_in_lru")              \
> > > > > > > >      EM( SCAN_PAGE_LOCK,             "page_locked")                  \
> > > > > > > >      EM( SCAN_PAGE_ANON,             "page_not_anon")                \
> > > > > > > > +   EM( SCAN_PAGE_LAZYFREE,         "page_lazyfree")                \
> > > > > > > >      EM( SCAN_PAGE_COMPOUND,         "page_compound")                \
> > > > > > > >      EM( SCAN_ANY_PROCESS,           "no_process_for_page")          \
> > > > > > > >      EM( SCAN_VMA_NULL,              "vma_null")                     \
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/mm/khugepaged.c b/mm/khugepaged.c
> > > > > > > > index 30786c706c4a..1ca034a5f653 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/mm/khugepaged.c
> > > > > > > > +++ b/mm/khugepaged.c
> > > > > > > > @@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ enum scan_result {
> > > > > > > >      SCAN_PAGE_LRU,
> > > > > > > >      SCAN_PAGE_LOCK,
> > > > > > > >      SCAN_PAGE_ANON,
> > > > > > > > +   SCAN_PAGE_LAZYFREE,
> > > > > > > >      SCAN_PAGE_COMPOUND,
> > > > > > > >      SCAN_ANY_PROCESS,
> > > > > > > >      SCAN_VMA_NULL,
> > > > > > > > @@ -1337,6 +1338,11 @@ static int hpage_collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > > > > > >              }
> > > > > > > >              folio = page_folio(page);
> > > > > > > > +           if (folio_is_lazyfree(folio)) {
> > > > > > > > +                   result = SCAN_PAGE_LAZYFREE;
> > > > > > > > +                   goto out_unmap;
> > > > > > > > +           }
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's a bit tricky ... I don't think we need to handle MADV_FREE pages
> > > > > > > differently :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MADV_FREE pages are likely cold memory, but what if there are just
> > > > > > > a few MADV_FREE pages in a hot memory region? Skipping the entire
> > > > > > > region would be unfortunate ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there are hot in lazyfree folios, the folio will be set as non-lazyfree
> > > > > > in the memory reclaim path, it is not skipped in the next scan in the
> > > > > > khugepaged.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > shrink_folio_list()
> > > > > >     try_to_unmap()
> > > > > >       folio_set_swapbacked()
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there are no hot in lazyfree folios, continuing the collapse would
> > > > > > waste CPU and require a long wait (khugepaged_scan_sleep_millisecs).
> > > > > > Additionally, due to collapse hugepage become non-lazyfree, preventing
> > > > > > the rapid release of lazyfree folios in the memory reclaim path.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So skipping lazy-free folios make sense here for us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I missed something, please let me know, thank!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not saying lazyfree pages become hot :)
> > > > >
> > > > > If a PMD region has mostly hot pages but just a few lazyfree
> > > > > pages, we would skip the entire region. Those hot pages won't
> > > > > be collapsed.
> > > >
> > > > Same above, the lazyfree folios will be set as non-lazyfree
> > >
> > > Nop ...
> > >
> > > > in the memory reclaim path, it is not skipped in the next scan,
> > > > the PMD region will collapse :)
> > >
> > > Let me be more specific:
> > >
> > > Assume we have a PMD region (512 pages):
> > > - Pages 0-499: hot pages (frequently accessed, NOT lazyfree)
> > > - Pages 500-511: lazyfree pages (MADV_FREE'd and clean)
> > >
> > > This patch skips the entire region when it hits page 500. So pages
> > > 0-499 can't be collapsed, even though they are hot.
> > >
> > > I'm NOT saying lazyfree pages themselves become hot ;)
> > >
> > > As I mentioned earlier, even if we skip these pages now, after they
> > > are reclaimed they become pte_none. Then khugepaged will try to
> > > collapse them anyway (based on khugepaged_max_ptes_none). So
> > > skipping them just delays things, it does not really change the
> > > final result ...

here

> >
> > I got it. Thank you for explain.
> > I refine the code, it can resolve this issue, as follows:
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/khugepaged.c b/mm/khugepaged.c
> > index 30786c706c4a..afea2e12394e 100644
> > --- a/mm/khugepaged.c
> > +++ b/mm/khugepaged.c
> > @@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ enum scan_result {
> >         SCAN_PAGE_LRU,
> >         SCAN_PAGE_LOCK,
> >         SCAN_PAGE_ANON,
> > +       SCAN_PAGE_LAZYFREE,
> >         SCAN_PAGE_COMPOUND,
> >         SCAN_ANY_PROCESS,
> >         SCAN_VMA_NULL,
> > @@ -1256,6 +1257,7 @@ static int hpage_collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
> >         pte_t *pte, *_pte;
> >         int result = SCAN_FAIL, referenced = 0;
> >         int none_or_zero = 0, shared = 0;
> > +       int lazyfree = 0;
> >         struct page *page = NULL;
> >         struct folio *folio = NULL;
> >         unsigned long addr;
> > @@ -1337,6 +1339,21 @@ static int hpage_collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
> >                 }
> >                 folio = page_folio(page);
> >
> > +               if (cc->is_khugepaged && !pte_dirty(pteval) &&
> > +                   folio_is_lazyfree(folio)) {
> > +                       ++lazyfree;
> > +
> > +                       /*
> > +                        * Due to the lazyfree-folios is reclaimed become
> > +                        * pte_none, make sure it doesn't continue to be
> > +                        * collapsed when skip ahead.
> > +                        */
> > +                       if ((lazyfree + none_or_zero) > khugepaged_max_ptes_none) {
> > +                               result = SCAN_PAGE_LAZYFREE;
> > +                               goto out_unmap;
> > +                       }
> > +               }
> > +
>
> I am still not fully convinced that this is the correct approach. You may
> want to look at jemalloc or scudo to see how userspace heaps use
> MADV_FREE for small size classes. In practice, it can be quite
> difficult to form a large range of PTEs that are all marked lazyfree.
> From my perspective, it would make more sense not to collapse the
> entire range if only part of it is lazyfree.
> I mean:
> for ptes as below,
>     lazyfree, lazyfree, non-lazyfree, non-lazyfree
>
> Collapsing the range is unnecessary, as the first two entries are likely
> to be freed soon.

But if the later two entries are hot, we not collapse, the describes of
Lance may occur.

> >                 if (!folio_test_anon(folio)) {
> >                         result = SCAN_PAGE_ANON;
> >                         goto out_unmap;
> >
> >
> > If it has anything bug or better idea, please let me know, thanks!
> > If no, I will send it in the next version.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Vernon
>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-07  8:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-04  5:41 [PATCH v3 0/6] Improve khugepaged scan logic Vernon Yang
2026-01-04  5:41 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] mm: khugepaged: add trace_mm_khugepaged_scan event Vernon Yang
2026-01-04  5:41 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] mm: khugepaged: refine scan progress number Vernon Yang
2026-01-05 16:49   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-06  5:55     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-04  5:41 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] mm: khugepaged: just skip when the memory has been collapsed Vernon Yang
2026-01-04  5:41 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] mm: add folio_is_lazyfree helper Vernon Yang
2026-01-04 11:42   ` Lance Yang
2026-01-05  2:09     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-04  5:41 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] mm: khugepaged: skip lazy-free folios at scanning Vernon Yang
2026-01-04 12:10   ` Lance Yang
2026-01-05  1:48     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-05  2:51       ` Lance Yang
2026-01-05  3:12         ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-05  3:35           ` Lance Yang
2026-01-05 12:30             ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-06 10:33               ` Barry Song
2026-01-07  8:36                 ` Vernon Yang [this message]
2026-01-04  5:41 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] mm: khugepaged: set to next mm direct when mm has MMF_DISABLE_THP_COMPLETELY Vernon Yang
2026-01-04 12:20   ` Lance Yang
2026-01-05  0:31     ` Wei Yang
2026-01-05  2:09       ` Lance Yang
2026-01-05  2:06     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-05  2:20       ` Lance Yang

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