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From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>,
	 "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Lokesh Gidra <lokeshgidra@google.com>,
	 Tangquan Zheng <zhengtangquan@oppo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2] mm: use per_vma lock for MADV_DONTNEED
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 21:59:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <hafjpizztpwazia2ubkieavxw375pb3ziwhd7bfq24i4gv5ayn@ah4zz2zy2lhv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b96ce61-a52c-4036-b5b6-5c50783db51f@lucifer.local>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 07:43:04PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> Hi Barry,
> 
> As promised, I enclose a patch to give a sense of how I think we might
> thread state through this operation.
> 
> There's a todo on the untagged stuff so you can figure that out. This is
> based on the v1 so it might not encompass everything you addressed in the
> v2.
> 
> Passing in madv_behavior to madvise_walk_vmas() twice kinda sucks, I
> _despise_ the void *arg function ptr stuff there added just for the anon
> vma name stuff (ughhh) so might be the only sensible way of threading
> state.
> 
> I don't need any attribution, so please use this patch as you see
> fit/adapt/delete/do whatever with it, just an easier way for me to show the
> idea!
> 
> I did some very basic testing and it seems to work, but nothing deeper.
> 
> Cheers, Lorenzo
> 
> ----8<----
> >From ff4ba0115cb31a0630b6f8c02c68f11b3fb71f7a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 18:22:55 +0100
> Subject: [PATCH] mm/madvise: support VMA read locks for MADV_DONTNEED[_LOCKED]
> 
> Refactor the madvise() code to retain state about the locking mode utilised
> for traversing VMAs.
> 
> Then use this mechanism to permit VMA locking to be done later in the
> madvise() logic and also to allow altering of the locking mode to permit
> falling back to an mmap read lock if required.
> 

Just as a quick drive-by comment: I was playing around with using per-vma locks
for GUP and mm_populate a few weeks ago. I never actually finished the work (and I
still plan on getting around doing it Eventually(tm)), but my final concept of an
approach was to simply read-lock every VMA in a range (if that fails, go back
to the mmap_lock).

I *think* it works, and doesn't have the same limitation for single VMAs.

I understand this is a super handwavy suggestion, but I know this discussion has
been happening and I just wanted to get this idea out of obscure IRC logs :)

-- 
Pedro


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-03 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-30 10:44 Barry Song
2025-05-30 14:06 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-30 14:34   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-30 20:17     ` Barry Song
2025-06-02 17:35       ` SeongJae Park
2025-06-02 17:53         ` SeongJae Park
2025-05-30 20:40     ` Jann Horn
2025-06-02 11:50       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-03  1:06         ` Barry Song
2025-06-03  9:48           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-03  7:06       ` Barry Song
2025-06-03 16:52         ` Jann Horn
2025-06-05 10:27           ` Barry Song
2025-05-30 22:00   ` Barry Song
2025-06-02 14:55     ` Jann Horn
2025-06-03  7:51       ` Barry Song
2025-06-03  7:24   ` Qi Zheng
2025-06-03  9:54     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04  6:02       ` Qi Zheng
2025-06-04 17:50         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-05  3:23           ` Qi Zheng
2025-06-05 14:04             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06  3:55               ` Qi Zheng
2025-06-06 10:44                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09  6:40                   ` Qi Zheng
2025-06-09 15:08                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-10  7:20                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:07           ` Jann Horn
2025-06-03 18:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-03 20:17   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-06-04  5:22     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06  7:18     ` Barry Song
2025-06-06 10:16       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-03 20:59   ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2025-06-04  5:23     ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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