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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Brian Geffon <bgeffon@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] zsmalloc: chain-length configuration should consider other metrics
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 10:42:51 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gg5zdpzrk47tljbnaudcy2gnsodyhmmar23qb57b67bhx6ntje@eq2fcrl2dk4z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ddfs43qldaws5urlnpah3ibp5xeu7st37p5hgdfajvdtwor4sd@fkcm3brinygo>

On (26/01/02 18:29), Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 01, 2026 at 10:38:14AM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
[..]
> 
> I worry that the heuristics are too hand-wavy

I don't disagree.  Am not super excited about the heuristics either.

> and I wonder if the memcpy savings actually show up as perf improvements
> in any real life workload. Do we have data about this?

I don't have real life 16K PAGE_SIZE devices.  However, on 16K PAGE_SIZE
systems we have "normal" size-classes up to a very large size, and normal
class means chaining of 0-order physical pages, and chaining means spanning.
So on 16K memcpy overhead is expected to be somewhat noticeable.

> I also vaguely recall discussions about other ways to avoid the memcpy
> using scatterlists, so I am wondering if this is the right metric to
> optimize.

As far as I understand SG-list based approach is that it will require
implementing split-data handling on the compression algorithms side,
which is not trivial (especially if the only reason to do that is
zsmalloc).

Alternatively, we maybe can try to vmap spanning objects:

---
 mm/zsmalloc.c | 24 +++++++++++++-----------
 1 file changed, 13 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)

diff --git a/mm/zsmalloc.c b/mm/zsmalloc.c
index 6fc216ab8190..4a68c27cb5d4 100644
--- a/mm/zsmalloc.c
+++ b/mm/zsmalloc.c
@@ -38,6 +38,7 @@
 #include <linux/zsmalloc.h>
 #include <linux/fs.h>
 #include <linux/workqueue.h>
+#include <linux/vmalloc.h>
 #include "zpdesc.h"
 
 #define ZSPAGE_MAGIC	0x58
@@ -1097,19 +1098,15 @@ void *zs_obj_read_begin(struct zs_pool *pool, unsigned long handle,
 		addr = kmap_local_zpdesc(zpdesc);
 		addr += off;
 	} else {
-		size_t sizes[2];
+		struct page *pages[2];
 
 		/* this object spans two pages */
-		sizes[0] = PAGE_SIZE - off;
-		sizes[1] = class->size - sizes[0];
-		addr = local_copy;
-
-		memcpy_from_page(addr, zpdesc_page(zpdesc),
-				 off, sizes[0]);
-		zpdesc = get_next_zpdesc(zpdesc);
-		memcpy_from_page(addr + sizes[0],
-				 zpdesc_page(zpdesc),
-				 0, sizes[1]);
+		pages[0] = zpdesc_page(zpdesc);
+		pages[1] = zpdesc_page(get_next_zpdesc(zpdesc));
+		addr = vm_map_ram(pages, 2, NUMA_NO_NODE);
+		if (!addr)
+			return NULL;
+		addr += off;
 	}
 
 	if (!ZsHugePage(zspage))
@@ -1139,6 +1136,11 @@ void zs_obj_read_end(struct zs_pool *pool, unsigned long handle,
 			off += ZS_HANDLE_SIZE;
 		handle_mem -= off;
 		kunmap_local(handle_mem);
+	} else {
+		if (!ZsHugePage(zspage))
+			off += ZS_HANDLE_SIZE;
+		handle_mem -= off;
+		vm_unmap_ram(handle_mem, 2);
 	}
 
 	zspage_read_unlock(zspage);
-- 
2.52.0.351.gbe84eed79e-goog


> What are the main pain points for PAGE_SIZE > 4K configs? Is it the
> compression/decompression time? In my experience this is usually not the
> bottleneck, I would imagine the real problem would be the internal
> fragmentation.

Right, internal fragmentation can be the main problem.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-05  1:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-01  1:38 [RFC PATCH 0/2] zsmalloc: size-classes chain-length tunings Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-01  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] zsmalloc: drop hard limit on the number of size classes Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-01  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] zsmalloc: chain-length configuration should consider other metrics Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-02 18:29   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-05  1:42     ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2026-01-05  7:23       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-05 16:01         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-06  4:10           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-05 15:58       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-06  4:20         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-06  4:22           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-06  5:08             ` Herbert Xu
2026-01-06 16:24               ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-07  5:25                 ` Herbert Xu
2026-01-07  5:39                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-07  5:42                     ` Herbert Xu
2026-01-07  5:43                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-01-07 17:12                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-06  9:47           ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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