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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	miklos@szeredi.hu,  linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com, josef@toxicpanda.com,
	 bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com,  Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 4/5] mm/migrate: skip migrating folios under writeback with AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE mappings
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:53:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gdu7kmz4nbnjqenj5vea4rjwj7v67kjw6ggoyq7ok4la2uosqa@i5gxpmoopuii> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f30fba5f-b2ca-4351-8c8f-3ac120b2d227@redhat.com>

On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 04:47:18PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 19.12.24 16:43, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 02:05:04PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 23.11.24 00:23, Joanne Koong wrote:
> > > > For migrations called in MIGRATE_SYNC mode, skip migrating the folio if
> > > > it is under writeback and has the AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE flag set on its
> > > > mapping. If the AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE flag is set on the mapping, the
> > > > writeback may take an indeterminate amount of time to complete, and
> > > > waits may get stuck.
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
> > > > Reviewed-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
> > > > ---
> > > >    mm/migrate.c | 5 ++++-
> > > >    1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > > 
> > > > diff --git a/mm/migrate.c b/mm/migrate.c
> > > > index df91248755e4..fe73284e5246 100644
> > > > --- a/mm/migrate.c
> > > > +++ b/mm/migrate.c
> > > > @@ -1260,7 +1260,10 @@ static int migrate_folio_unmap(new_folio_t get_new_folio,
> > > >    		 */
> > > >    		switch (mode) {
> > > >    		case MIGRATE_SYNC:
> > > > -			break;
> > > > +			if (!src->mapping ||
> > > > +			    !mapping_writeback_indeterminate(src->mapping))
> > > > +				break;
> > > > +			fallthrough;
> > > >    		default:
> > > >    			rc = -EBUSY;
> > > >    			goto out;
> > > 
> > > Ehm, doesn't this mean that any fuse user can essentially completely block
> > > CMA allocations, memory compaction, memory hotunplug, memory poisoning... ?!
> > > 
> > > That sounds very bad.
> > 
> > The page under writeback are already unmovable while they are under
> > writeback. This patch is only making potentially unrelated tasks to
> > synchronously wait on writeback completion for such pages which in worst
> > case can be indefinite. This actually is solving an isolation issue on a
> > multi-tenant machine.
> > 
> Are you sure, because I read in the cover letter:
> 
> "In the current FUSE writeback design (see commit 3be5a52b30aa ("fuse:
> support writable mmap"))), a temp page is allocated for every dirty
> page to be written back, the contents of the dirty page are copied over to
> the temp page, and the temp page gets handed to the server to write back.
> This is done so that writeback may be immediately cleared on the dirty
> page,"
> 
> Which to me means that they are immediately movable again?

Oh sorry, my mistake, yes this will become an isolation issue with the
removal of the temp page in-between which this series is doing. I think
the tradeoff is between extra memory plus slow write performance versus
temporary unmovable memory.

> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> David / dhildenb
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-19 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-22 23:23 [PATCH v6 0/5] fuse: remove temp page copies in writeback Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] mm: add AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE mapping flag Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] mm: skip reclaiming folios in legacy memcg writeback indeterminate contexts Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] fs/writeback: in wait_sb_inodes(), skip wait for AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE mappings Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] mm/migrate: skip migrating folios under writeback with " Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 13:05   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 14:19     ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:08       ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:39         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 15:47           ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:50             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 15:43     ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 15:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 15:53         ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2024-12-19 15:55           ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:56             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 16:00               ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 16:02                 ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 16:09                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 16:14                     ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 16:26                       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:31                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 16:53                           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:22             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:29               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 16:40                 ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:41                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 17:14                     ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 17:26                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 17:30                         ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 17:37                           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 17:40                             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 17:44                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 17:54                               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-20 11:44                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-20 12:15                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-20 14:49                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-20 15:26                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-20 18:01                                       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-21  2:28                                         ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-21 16:23                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-22  2:47                                             ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-24 11:32                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-21 16:18                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-23 22:14                                           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-24 12:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-26 15:11                                               ` Zi Yan
2024-12-26 20:13                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-26 22:02                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-27 20:08                                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-27 20:32                                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-30 17:52                                                     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-30 10:16                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-30 18:38                                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-30 19:52                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-30 20:11                                                       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-02 18:54                                                         ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-03 20:31                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-06 10:19                                                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-06 18:17                                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-07  8:34                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-07 18:07                                                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-09 11:22                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 20:28                                                                       ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 21:13                                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 22:00                                                                           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-13 15:27                                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-13 21:44                                                                               ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-14  8:38                                                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14  9:40                                                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14  9:55                                                                                     ` Bernd Schubert
2025-01-14 10:07                                                                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 18:07                                                                                         ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-14 18:58                                                                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 19:12                                                                                             ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-14 20:00                                                                                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 20:29                                                                                               ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-14 21:40                                                                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-01-23 16:06                                                                                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-14 20:51                                                                                         ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-24 12:25                                                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-14 15:49                                                                                     ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-24 12:29                                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-28 10:16                                                                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 15:44                                                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-14 18:58                                                                                     ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-10 23:11                                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 20:16                                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 20:20                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 20:43                                                                       ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 21:00                                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 21:07                                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 21:21                                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-07 16:15                                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-08  1:40                                                                   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-30 20:04                                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-02 19:59                                                       ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-02 20:26                                                         ` Zi Yan
2024-12-20 21:01                                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-21 16:25                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-21 21:59                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-23 19:00                                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-26 22:44                                               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-27 18:25                                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 17:55                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 18:04                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 18:11                             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-20  7:55                     ` Jingbo Xu
2025-04-02 21:34     ` Joanne Koong
2025-04-03  3:31       ` Jingbo Xu
2025-04-03  9:18         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-03  9:25           ` Bernd Schubert
2025-04-03  9:35             ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 19:09           ` Joanne Koong
2025-04-03 20:44             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-03 22:04               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree Joanne Koong
2024-11-25  9:46   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-12 21:55 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] fuse: remove temp page copies in writeback Joanne Koong
2024-12-13 11:52 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-12-13 16:47   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-18 17:37     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-18 17:44       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-18 17:53         ` Joanne Koong

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