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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,  josef@toxicpanda.com,
	bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm, jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com,
	 hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 14:27:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <g5qhetudluazn6phri4kxxa3dgg6diuffh53dbhkxmjixzpk24@slojbhmjb55d> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegvd-5h5Fx4=s-UwmbusA9_iLmGkk7+s9buhYQFsN76QNw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 08:37:12PM GMT, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 at 19:52, Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> 
> > If I understand you correctly, you are saying fuse server doing wrong
> > things like accessing the files it is serving is not something we need
> > to care about.
> 
> I don't think detecting such recursion is feasible or even generally possible.
> 
> > More specifically all the operations which directly
> > manipulates the folios it is serving (like migration) should be ignored.
> > Is this correct?
> 
> Um, not sure I understand.  If migration can be triggered on fuse
> folios that results in the task that triggered the migration to wait
> on the fuse folio, then that's bad.

Why is it bad? I can understand fuse server getting blocked on fuse
folios is bad but why it is bad for other applications/tasks? I am
wondering network filesystems have to handle similar situation then why
is it bad just for fuse?

> Ignoring fuse folios is the only
> solution that I can see, and that's basically what the current temp
> page copy does.
> 
> Sprinkling mm code with fuse specific conditionals seems the only
> solution if we want to get rid of the temp page thing.  Hopefully
> there aren't too many of those.

It might be a bit more than sprinkling. The reclaim code has to activate
the folio to avoid reclaiming the folio in near future. I am not sure
what we will need to do for move_pages() syscall.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-16 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-14 18:22 [PATCH v2 0/2] fuse: remove extra page copies in writeback Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:22 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: skip reclaiming folios in writeback contexts that may trigger deadlock Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:38   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-14 21:04     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 23:57       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-15 16:59         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:22 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree Joanne Koong
2024-10-15 10:01   ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-15 17:06     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-15 19:17       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-16  9:44         ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-16  9:57           ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16  9:51         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16 17:52           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-16 18:37             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16 21:27               ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2024-10-17 13:31                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  5:31                   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-21 10:15                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-21 17:01                       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-22 15:03                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-21 21:05                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-24 16:54                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25  1:38                           ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-25 15:32                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-25 17:36                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25 18:02                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-25 18:19                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28  2:02                                   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-25 18:47                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28  2:28                                 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-28 21:57                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25 22:40                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28 21:58                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30  9:32                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 16:04                                     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 16:21                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 17:02                                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 17:27                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 17:35                                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 21:56                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-30 22:17                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 22:51                                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31  0:30                                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-31 19:06                                                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31 20:06                                                         ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-31 21:52                                                           ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31 22:38                                                             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-11-06 23:37                                                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-06 23:56                                                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2024-11-01 11:44                                                             ` Jingbo Xu
2024-11-01 20:54                                                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-04  8:09                                                                 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-29 22:04                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-16  9:56     ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-16 10:00       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  1:30     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-18  5:57       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-18 19:57         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-18 20:46           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-21  9:32       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  9:24   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-18 20:29     ` Joanne Koong

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