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From: Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Naveen N Rao <naveen@kernel.org>,
	Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
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	Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Andre Almeida <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] powerpc: Implement masked user access
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 07:27:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ff2662ca-3b86-425b-97f8-3883f1018e83@csgroup.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250622172043.3fb0e54c@pumpkin>



Le 22/06/2025 à 18:20, David Laight a écrit :
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 11:52:38 +0200
> Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu> wrote:
> 
>> Masked user access avoids the address/size verification by access_ok().
>> Allthough its main purpose is to skip the speculation in the
>> verification of user address and size hence avoid the need of spec
>> mitigation, it also has the advantage to reduce the amount of
>> instructions needed so it also benefits to platforms that don't
>> need speculation mitigation, especially when the size of the copy is
>> not know at build time.
> 
> It also removes a conditional branch that is quite likely to be
> statically predicted 'the wrong way'.

But include/asm-generic/access_ok.h defines access_ok() as:

	#define access_ok(addr, size) likely(__access_ok(addr, size))

So GCC uses the 'unlikely' variant of the branch instruction to force 
the correct prediction, doesn't it ?

> 
>> Unlike x86_64 which masks the address to 'all bits set' when the
>> user address is invalid, here the address is set to an address in
>> the gap. It avoids relying on the zero page to catch offseted
>> accesses. On book3s/32 it makes sure the opening remains on user
>> segment. The overcost is a single instruction in the masking.
> 
> That isn't true (any more).
> Linus changed the check to (approx):
> 	if (uaddr > TASK_SIZE)
> 		uaddr = TASK_SIZE;
> (Implemented with a conditional move)

Ah ok, I overlooked that, I didn't know the cmove instruction, seem 
similar to the isel instruction on powerpc e500.

Christophe



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-24  5:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-22  9:52 Christophe Leroy
2025-06-22  9:52 ` [PATCH 1/5] uaccess: Add masked_user_{read/write}_access_begin Christophe Leroy
2025-06-22 16:35   ` David Laight
2025-06-24  5:34     ` Christophe Leroy
2025-06-22  9:52 ` [PATCH 2/5] uaccess: Add speculation barrier to copy_from_user_iter() Christophe Leroy
2025-06-22 16:52   ` David Laight
2025-06-22 16:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-06-22 20:18     ` David Laight
2025-06-24  5:49     ` Christophe Leroy
2025-06-24  8:07       ` David Laight
2025-06-24 15:15       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-06-22  9:52 ` [PATCH 3/5] powerpc: Remove unused size parametre to KUAP enabling/disabling functions Christophe Leroy
2025-06-22  9:52 ` [PATCH 4/5] powerpc: Move barrier_nospec() out of allow_read_{from/write}_user() Christophe Leroy
2025-06-22  9:52 ` [PATCH 5/5] powerpc: Implement masked user access Christophe Leroy
2025-06-22 17:13   ` David Laight
2025-06-22 17:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-06-22 19:51       ` David Laight
2025-06-22 18:57     ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-06-22 16:20 ` [PATCH 0/5] " David Laight
2025-06-24  5:27   ` Christophe Leroy [this message]
2025-06-24  8:32     ` David Laight
2025-06-24 21:37       ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-06-25  8:30         ` David Laight
2025-06-24 13:17     ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-06-24 16:50       ` David Laight
2025-06-24 18:25         ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-06-24 21:08           ` David Laight
2025-06-26  5:56             ` Christophe Leroy
2025-06-26 22:01               ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-07-05 10:55                 ` Christophe Leroy
2025-07-05 11:42                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-07-05 18:33                 ` David Laight
2025-07-05 20:15                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-07-05 21:05                     ` David Laight
2025-07-05 21:37                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2025-06-26 21:39             ` Segher Boessenkool

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