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From: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/14] arm64/mm: Avoid barriers for invalid or userspace mappings
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 17:54:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fc199d7c-ab09-4278-b641-962184bff14d@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250217140809.1702789-8-ryan.roberts@arm.com>

On 17/02/2025 15:07, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> __set_pte_complete(), set_pmd(), set_pud(), set_p4d() and set_pgd() are

Nit: it would be more accurate to say __set_pte() instead of
__set_pte_complete(), as it is the former that actually writes the PTE
(and then issues barriers).

> used to write entries into pgtables. And they issue barriers (currently
> dsb and isb) to ensure that the written values are observed by the table
> walker prior to any program-order-future memory access to the mapped
> location.
>
> Over the years some of these functions have received optimizations: In
> particular, commit 7f0b1bf04511 ("arm64: Fix barriers used for page
> table modifications") made it so that the barriers were only emitted for
> valid-kernel mappings for set_pte() (now __set_pte_complete()). And
> commit 0795edaf3f1f ("arm64: pgtable: Implement p[mu]d_valid() and check
> in set_p[mu]d()") made it so that set_pmd()/set_pud() only emitted the
> barriers for valid mappings. set_p4d()/set_pgd() continue to emit the
> barriers unconditionally.
>
> This is all very confusing to the casual observer; surely the rules
> should be invariant to the level? Let's change this so that every level
> consistently emits the barriers only when setting valid, non-user
> entries (both table and leaf).
>
> It seems obvious that if it is ok to elide barriers all but valid kernel
> mappings at pte level, it must also be ok to do this for leaf entries at
> other levels: If setting an entry to invalid, a tlb maintenance
> operation must surely follow to synchronise the TLB and this contains
> the required barriers. If setting a valid user mapping, the previous
> mapping must have been invalid and there must have been a TLB
> maintenance operation (complete with barriers) to honour
> break-before-make. So the worst that can happen is we take an extra
> fault (which will imply the DSB + ISB) and conclude that there is
> nothing to do. These are the arguments for doing this optimization at
> pte level and they also apply to leaf mappings at other levels.
>
> For table entries, the same arguments hold: If unsetting a table entry,
> a TLB is required and this will emit the required barriers. If setting a

s/TLB/TLB maintenance/

> table entry, the previous value must have been invalid and the table
> walker must already be able to observe that. Additionally the contents
> of the pgtable being pointed to in the newly set entry must be visible
> before the entry is written and this is enforced via smp_wmb() (dmb) in
> the pgtable allocation functions and in __split_huge_pmd_locked(). But
> this last part could never have been enforced by the barriers in
> set_pXd() because they occur after updating the entry. So ultimately,
> the wost that can happen by eliding these barriers for user table

s/wost/worst/

- Kevin

> entries is an extra fault.
>
> [...]



  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-20 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-17 14:07 [PATCH v2 00/14] Perf improvements for hugetlb and vmalloc on arm64 Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] arm64: hugetlb: Cleanup huge_pte size discovery mechanisms Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] arm64: hugetlb: Refine tlb maintenance scope Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] mm/page_table_check: Batch-check pmds/puds just like ptes Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] arm64/mm: Refactor __set_ptes() and __ptep_get_and_clear() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] arm64: hugetlb: Use set_ptes_anysz() and ptep_get_and_clear_anysz() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] arm64/mm: Hoist barriers out of set_ptes_anysz() loop Ryan Roberts
2025-02-22 11:56   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-24 12:18     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:07 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] arm64/mm: Avoid barriers for invalid or userspace mappings Ryan Roberts
2025-02-20 16:54   ` Kevin Brodsky [this message]
2025-02-24 12:26     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-22 13:17   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-25 16:41     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:08 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] mm/vmalloc: Warn on improper use of vunmap_range() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-20  7:02   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-24 12:03   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-24 12:04   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-17 14:08 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] mm/vmalloc: Gracefully unmap huge ptes Ryan Roberts
2025-02-20 12:05   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-02-24 12:04   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-17 14:08 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] arm64/mm: Support huge pte-mapped pages in vmap Ryan Roberts
2025-02-24 12:03   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-25 16:57     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:08 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] mm/vmalloc: Batch arch_sync_kernel_mappings() more efficiently Ryan Roberts
2025-02-25 15:37   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-25 16:58     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:08 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] mm: Generalize arch_sync_kernel_mappings() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-25 17:10   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-25 17:52     ` Catalin Marinas
2025-02-17 14:08 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] mm: Only call arch_update_kernel_mappings_[begin|end]() for kernel mappings Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17 14:08 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] arm64/mm: Batch barriers when updating " Ryan Roberts

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