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From: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com
Cc: willy@infradead.org, david@redhat.com, 21cnbao@gmail.com,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com, ioworker0@gmail.com, da.gomez@samsung.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 0/4] Support large folios for tmpfs
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 17:52:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fba6d03c-950f-4c5b-a8f0-eb760a4e8795@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6457b1fa-9afd-4552-ae5b-3a0379bcc3e5@huawei.com>



On 2024/10/16 21:45, Kefeng Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2024/10/16 17:29, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2024/10/16 15:49, Kefeng Wang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2024/10/10 17:58, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This RFC patch series attempts to support large folios for tmpfs.
>>>>
>>>> Considering that tmpfs already has the 'huge=' option to control the 
>>>> THP
>>>> allocation, it is necessary to maintain compatibility with the 'huge='
>>>> option, as well as considering the 'deny' and 'force' option controlled
>>>> by '/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/shmem_enabled'.
>>>>
>>>> Add a new huge option 'write_size' to support large folio allocation 
>>>> based
>>>> on the write size for tmpfs write and fallocate paths. So the huge 
>>>> pages
>>>> allocation strategy for tmpfs is that, if the 'huge=' option
>>>> (huge=always/within_size/advise) is enabled or the 'shmem_enabled' 
>>>> option
>>>> is 'force', it need just allow PMD sized THP to keep backward 
>>>> compatibility
>>>> for tmpfs. While 'huge=' option is disabled (huge=never) or the 
>>>> 'shmem_enabled'
>>>> option is 'deny', it will still disable any large folio allocations. 
>>>> Only
>>>> when the 'huge=' option is 'write_size', it will allow allocating large
>>>> folios based on the write size.
>>>>
>>>> And I think the 'huge=write_size' option should be the default behavior
>>>> for tmpfs in future.
>>>
>>> Could we avoid new huge= option for tmpfs, maybe support other orders
>>> for both read/write/fallocate if mount with huge?
>>
>> Um, I am afraid not, as that would break the 'huge=' compatibility. 
>> That is to say, users still want PMD-sized huge pages if 'huge=always'.
> 
> Yes, compatibility maybe an issue, but only write/fallocate side support
> large folio is a little strange, maybe a new mode to support both read/
> write/fallocate?

Because tmpfs read() will not allocate folios for tmpfs holes, and will 
use ZERO_PAGE instead. If the shmem folios are swapped out, and now we 
will always swapin base page, which is another story...

For tmpfs mmap() read, we do not have a length to indicate how large the 
folio should be allocated. Moreover, we have decided against adding any 
mTHP interfaces for tmpfs in the previous discussion[1].

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZvVRiJYfaXD645Nh@casper.infradead.org/


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-17  9:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-10  9:58 Baolin Wang
2024-10-10  9:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/4] mm: factor out the order calculation into a new helper Baolin Wang
2024-10-10  9:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/4] mm: shmem: change shmem_huge_global_enabled() to return huge order bitmap Baolin Wang
2024-10-10  9:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/4] mm: shmem: add large folio support to the write and fallocate paths for tmpfs Baolin Wang
2024-10-10  9:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/4] docs: tmpfs: add documention for 'write_size' huge option Baolin Wang
2024-10-16  7:49 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/4] Support large folios for tmpfs Kefeng Wang
2024-10-16  9:29   ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-16 13:45     ` Kefeng Wang
2024-10-17  9:52       ` Baolin Wang [this message]
2024-10-16 14:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-10-17  9:34   ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-17 11:26     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-21  6:24       ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-21  8:54         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-21 13:34           ` Daniel Gomez
2024-10-22  3:41             ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-22 15:31               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-23  8:04                 ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-23  9:27                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-24 10:49                     ` Daniel Gomez
2024-10-24 10:52                       ` Daniel Gomez
2024-10-25  2:56                       ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-25 20:21                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-28  9:48                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-31  3:43                           ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-31  8:53                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-31 10:04                               ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-31 10:46                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-05 12:45                                   ` Baolin Wang
2024-11-05 14:56                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-06  3:17                                       ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-31 10:46                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-28 21:56                         ` Daniel Gomez
2024-10-29 12:20                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-22  3:34           ` Baolin Wang
2024-10-22 10:06             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-23  9:25               ` Baolin Wang

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