From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Vasily Averin <vasily.averin@linux.dev>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/7] cgroup: rstat: only disable interrupts for the percpu lock
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f9b6410-ee17-635f-a35d-559fa0191dc3@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCSJDpPPOVvBYfOy@slm.duckdns.org>
Hi Tejun,
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 04:23:13PM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > Tejun, if having the lock be non-irq is a non-starter for you, I can
>
> This is an actual hazard. We see in prod these unprotected locks causing
> very big spikes in tail latencies and they can be tricky to root cause too
> and given the way rstat lock is used it's highly likely to be involved in
> those scenarios with the proposed change, so it's gonna be a nack from my
> end.
Butting in here, I'm fascinated. This is certainly not my area, I know
nothing about rstat, but this is the first time I ever heard someone
arguing for more disabling of interrupts rather than less.
An interrupt coming in while holding a contended resource can certainly
add to latencies, that I accept of course. But until now, I thought it
was agreed best practice to disable irqs only regretfully, when strictly
necessary.
If that has changed, I for one want to know about it. How should we
now judge which spinlocks should disable interrupts and which should not?
Page table locks are currently my main interest - should those be changed?
Thanks,
Hugh
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-29 19:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-23 4:00 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Make rstat flushing IRQ and sleep friendly Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] cgroup: rstat: only disable interrupts for the percpu lock Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:29 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 5:15 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 6:33 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 13:35 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:40 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 15:42 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:46 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 16:09 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 16:17 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 16:29 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 16:36 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 16:45 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 16:51 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 19:09 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 17:33 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 18:09 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 18:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-24 1:39 ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-24 7:22 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-24 14:12 ` Waiman Long
2023-03-24 22:50 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-25 1:54 ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-25 2:17 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-25 4:30 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-25 4:37 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-25 4:46 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-27 23:23 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-29 18:53 ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-29 19:22 ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2023-03-29 20:00 ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-29 20:38 ` Hugh Dickins
2023-03-30 4:26 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-31 1:51 ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-23 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] memcg: do not disable interrupts when holding stats_flush_lock Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:32 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 5:16 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] cgroup: rstat: remove cgroup_rstat_flush_irqsafe() Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:43 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 15:45 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] memcg: sleep during flushing stats in safe contexts Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 16:01 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 17:27 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 18:07 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 19:35 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] vmscan: memcg: sleep when flushing stats during reclaim Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] workingset: memcg: sleep when flushing stats in workingset_refault() Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:50 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 16:02 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 16:00 ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 16:02 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] memcg: do not modify rstat tree for zero updates Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 4:10 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] Make rstat flushing IRQ and sleep friendly Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 5:07 ` Yosry Ahmed
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