From: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
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Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 17:02:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f9b0bf10-a531-484e-9679-08ec25ceb444@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <852d6f8c-e167-4527-9dc9-98549124f6b1@redhat.com>
On 12/09/2025 16:25, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>
>>
>> But I do not really expect it ever, since arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode_pte()
>> is only to be called in PTE walkers that never span more than one page
>> table and follow the pattern:
>
> Well, the cover letter here states:
>
> "Unfortunately, a corner case (DEBUG_PAGEALLOC) may still cause
> nesting to occur on arm64. Ryan proposed [2] to address that corner
> case at the generic level but this approach received pushback; [3]
> then attempted to solve the issue on arm64 only, but it was deemed too
> fragile."
>
> So I guess we should support nesting cleanly, at least on the core-mm
> side.
Nesting remains a rare occurrence though. I think it would be plausible
to require this new interface to be used in a region where no nesting
can occur, just like pause()/resume().
In fact, I think this is a requirement if we go for the approach we have
been discussing, because nested enter()/leave() calls are not meant to
call arch_enter()/arch_leave(), and I really wouldn't want to use a
different logic for this variant.
>
> I guess we could start with saying "well, s390x doesn't fully support
> nesting yet but doing so just requires changing the way we manage this
> per-nesting-level state internally".
>
> s390 is trying to do something different than the other archs here, so
> that naturally concerns me :)
>
> But if it's really just about forwarding that data and having s390
> store it somewhere (task_struct, percpu variable, etc), fine with me.
Yes I think this is fine, with the restriction above. The extra
arguments are directly forwarded to arch code and otherwise ignored by
core code, and unless the arch defines some __HAVE_ARCH... or CONFIG,
the extended interface falls back to regular enter()/leave().
- Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-12 15:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-08 7:39 [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] mm: remove arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:29 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09 9:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09 5:40 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09 9:05 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 9:40 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 10:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:45 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 11:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:49 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:02 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-10 15:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-10 15:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-11 16:19 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 18:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 7:26 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 8:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 8:48 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 8:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:37 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 12:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:56 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 13:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 14:05 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 14:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 15:02 ` Kevin Brodsky [this message]
2025-09-09 14:38 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-10 16:11 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 12:06 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-11 16:20 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:57 ` Juergen Gross
2025-09-09 14:15 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:08 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] arm64: mm: fully support nested " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] x86/xen: support nested lazy_mmu sections (again) Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 9:37 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-09 9:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:28 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:42 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] powerpc/mm: support nested lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: update lazy_mmu documentation Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 16:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-09 9:10 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 2:16 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09 9:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:59 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 15:25 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-15 6:28 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-15 11:19 ` Kevin Brodsky
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