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From: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <Neeraj.Upadhyay@amd.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	maged.michael@gmail.com, Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, lkmm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: Introduce ptr_eq() to preserve address dependency
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:42:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f635f9ce-fef4-4a9e-bee1-70dbc24a82ad@huaweicloud.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <25344f33-b8dc-43fb-a394-529eff03d979@rowland.harvard.edu>



Am 9/28/2024 um 11:15 PM schrieb Alan Stern:
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 11:55:22AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> On 2024-09-28 17:49, Alan Stern wrote:
>>> Isn't it true that on strongly ordered CPUs, a compiler barrier is
>>> sufficient to prevent the rcu_dereference() problem?  So the whole idea
>>> behind ptr_eq() is that it prevents the problem on all CPUs.
>>
>> Correct. But given that we have ptr_eq(), it's good to show how it
>> equally prevents the compiler from reordering address-dependent loads
>> (comparison with constant) *and* prevents the compiler from using
>> one pointer rather than the other (comparison between two non-constant
>> pointers) which affects speculation on weakly-ordered CPUs.
> 
> I don't see how these two things differ from each other.  In the
> comparison-with-a-constant case, how is the compiler reordering
> anything?  Isn't it just using the constant address rather than the
> loaded pointer and thereby breaking the address dependency?

I also currently don't see any major difference between the constant and 
register case. The point is that the address is known before loading 
into b, and hence the compiler + hardware can speculatively load *b 
before loading into b.

The only difference is how far before loading into b the address is known.

Best wishes,
   jonas



  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-30  9:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-28 13:51 [PATCH 0/2] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:49   ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:30     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 15:32     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 15:49       ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:55         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 21:15           ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30  9:42             ` Jonas Oberhauser [this message]
2024-09-30 11:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-30 12:06                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 13:54                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-28 22:26           ` Alan Huang
2024-09-28 23:55             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-29  0:20               ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  8:57             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30  9:15               ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  9:27                 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  9:33                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 10:12                     ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30 11:26     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 16:43       ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30 17:05         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 18:53           ` Alan Stern
2024-10-01 17:11             ` David Laight
2024-10-01 22:57               ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02  8:13                 ` David Laight
2024-10-02 14:14                   ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02 15:24                     ` David Laight
2024-10-03  1:50                       ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-03 13:23                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 17:07                           ` David Laight
2024-10-03 18:00                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 11:54                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-10-07 13:18                             ` David Laight
2024-10-07 13:21                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 14:59                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-28 23:24   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-29 10:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq() Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:58   ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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