From: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>
To: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] memcg: use mod_node_page_state to update stats
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2026 10:44:44 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f5d16072-d8a4-40a6-9414-bc4115013564@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aYxDkkDI4mk3r011@hyeyoo>
On 11/02/26 2:23 pm, Harry Yoo wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2026 at 01:07:40PM +0530, Dev Jain wrote:
>> On 10/02/26 9:59 pm, Shakeel Butt wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 01:08:49PM +0530, Dev Jain wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> Oh so it is arm64 specific issue. I tested on x86-64 machine and it solves
>>>>> the little regression it had before. So, on arm64 all this_cpu_ops i.e. without
>>>>> double underscore, uses LL/SC instructions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Need more thought on this.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also can you confirm whether my analysis of the regression was correct?
>>>>>>> Because if it was, then this diff looks wrong - AFAIU preempt_disable()
>>>>>>> won't stop an irq handler from interrupting the execution, so this
>>>>>>> will introduce a bug for code paths running in irq context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was worried about the correctness too, but this_cpu_add() is safe
>>>>>> against IRQs and so the stat will be _eventually_ consistent?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ofc it's so confusing! Maybe I'm the one confused.
>>>>> Yeah there is no issue with proposed patch as it is making the function
>>>>> re-entrant safe.
>>>> Ah yes, this_cpu_add() does the addition in one shot without read-modify-write.
>>>>
>>>> I am still puzzled whether the original patch was a bug fix or an optimization.
>>> The original patch was a cleanup patch. The memcg stats update functions
>>> were already irq/nmi safe without disabling irqs and that patch did the
>>> same for the numa stats. Though it seems like that is causing regression
>>> for arm64 as this_cpu* ops are expensive on arm64.
>>>
>>>> The patch description says that node stat updation uses irq unsafe interface.
>>>> Therefore, we had foo() calling __foo() nested with local_irq_save/restore. But
>>>> there were code paths which directly called __foo() - so, your patch fixes a bug right
>>> No, those places were already disabling irqs and should be fine.
>> Please correct me if I am missing something here. Simply putting an
>> if (!irqs_disabled()) -> dump_stack() in __lruvec_stat_mod_folio, before
>> calling __mod_node_page_state, reveals:
>>
>> [ 6.486375] Call trace:
>> [ 6.486376] show_stack+0x20/0x38 (C)
>> [ 6.486379] dump_stack_lvl+0x74/0x90
>> [ 6.486382] dump_stack+0x18/0x28
>> [ 6.486383] __lruvec_stat_mod_folio+0x160/0x180
>> [ 6.486385] folio_add_file_rmap_ptes+0x128/0x480
>> [ 6.486388] set_pte_range+0xe8/0x320
>> [ 6.486389] finish_fault+0x260/0x508
>> [ 6.486390] do_fault+0x2d0/0x598
>> [ 6.486391] __handle_mm_fault+0x398/0xb60
>> [ 6.486393] handle_mm_fault+0x15c/0x298
>> [ 6.486394] __get_user_pages+0x204/0xb88
>> [ 6.486395] populate_vma_page_range+0xbc/0x1b8
>> [ 6.486396] __mm_populate+0xcc/0x1e0
>> [ 6.486397] __arm64_sys_mlockall+0x1d4/0x1f8
>> [ 6.486398] invoke_syscall+0x50/0x120
>> [ 6.486399] el0_svc_common.constprop.0+0x48/0xf0
>> [ 6.486400] do_el0_svc+0x24/0x38
>> [ 6.486400] el0_svc+0x34/0xf0
>> [ 6.486402] el0t_64_sync_handler+0xa0/0xe8
>> [ 6.486404] el0t_64_sync+0x198/0x1a0
>>
>> Indeed finish_fault() takes a PTL spin lock without irq disablement.
> That indeed looks incorrect to me.
> I was assuming __foo() is always called with IRQs disabled!
>
>>> I am working on adding batched stats update functionality in the hope
>>> that will fix the regression.
>> Thanks! FYI, I have zeroed in the issue on to preempt_disable(). Dropping this
>> from _pcpu_protect_return solves the regression.
> That's interesting, why is the cost of preempt disable/enable so high?
>
>> Unlike x86, arm64 does a preempt_disable
>> when doing this_cpu_*. On a cursory look it seems like this is unnecessary - since we
>> are doing preempt_enable() immediately after reading the pointer, CPU migration is
>> possible anyways, so there is nothing to be gained by reading pcpu pointer with
>> preemption disabled. I am investigating whether we can simply drop this in general.
> Let me quote an old email from Mark Rutland [1]:
>> We also thought that initially, but there's a sbutle race that can
>> occur, and so we added code to disable preemption in commit:
>>
>> f3eab7184ddcd486 ("arm64: percpu: Make this_cpu accessors pre-empt safe")
>>
>> The problem on arm64 is that our atomics take a single base register,
>> and we have to generate the percpu address with separate instructions
>> from the atomic itself. That means we can get preempted between address
>> generation and the atomic, which is problematic for sequences like:
>>
>> // Thread-A // Thread-B
>>
>> this_cpu_add(var)
>> local_irq_disable(flags)
>> ...
>> v = __this_cpu_read(var);
>> v = some_function(v);
>> __this_cpu_write(var, v);
>> ...
>> local_irq_restore(flags)
>>
>> ... which can unexpectedly race as:
>>
>>
>> // Thread-A // Thread-B
>>
>> < generate CPU X addr >
>> < preempted >
>>
>> < scheduled on CPU X >
>> local_irq_disable(flags);
>> v = __this_cpu_read(var);
>>
>> < scheduled on CPU Y >
>> < add to CPU X's var >
>> v = some_function(v);
>> __this_cpu_write(var, v);
>> local_irq_restore(flags);
>>
>> ... and hence we lose an update to a percpu variable.
> ... so, removing preempt disable _in general_ is probably not a good idea.
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20190311164837.GD24275@lakrids.cambridge.arm.com
Thanks for the link!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-12 5:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-10 23:20 [PATCH 0/4] memcg: cleanup the memcg stats interfaces Shakeel Butt
2025-11-10 23:20 ` [PATCH 1/4] memcg: use mod_node_page_state to update stats Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11 1:39 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11 18:58 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-29 13:05 ` Dev Jain
2026-02-02 4:26 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-02 4:48 ` Dev Jain
2026-02-02 4:54 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-02 8:53 ` Dev Jain
2026-02-04 20:38 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-05 5:20 ` Dev Jain
2026-02-05 5:45 ` Harry Yoo
2026-02-05 5:58 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-10 7:38 ` Dev Jain
2026-02-10 16:29 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-11 7:37 ` Dev Jain
2026-02-11 8:53 ` Harry Yoo
2026-02-11 9:24 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-11 10:14 ` Harry Yoo
2026-02-12 5:16 ` Dev Jain
2026-02-12 5:14 ` Dev Jain [this message]
2026-02-12 1:31 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-10 23:20 ` [PATCH 2/4] memcg: remove __mod_lruvec_kmem_state Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11 1:46 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11 8:23 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11 18:58 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-10 23:20 ` [PATCH 3/4] memcg: remove __mod_lruvec_state Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11 5:21 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11 18:58 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-10 23:20 ` [PATCH 4/4] memcg: remove __lruvec_stat_mod_folio Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11 5:41 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11 18:59 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-11 0:59 ` [PATCH 0/4] memcg: cleanup the memcg stats interfaces Harry Yoo
2025-11-11 2:23 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11 2:39 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11 2:48 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11 3:00 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11 3:07 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11 3:18 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11 3:29 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11 3:05 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11 8:01 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-11-11 8:36 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11 16:45 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-12 2:11 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11 9:54 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-11-11 19:01 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-11 19:34 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-15 19:27 ` Shakeel Butt
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