From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, corbet@lwn.net, muchun.song@linux.dev,
osalvador@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
laoar.shao@gmail.com, brauner@kernel.org, mclapinski@google.com,
joel.granados@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Alexandru Moise <00moses.alexander00@gmail.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "mm, hugetlb: remove hugepages_treat_as_movable sysctl"
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 16:44:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f4d0e176-b1d4-47f0-be76-4bff3dd7339a@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aOZyt-7sf5PFCdpb@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>
On 08.10.25 16:18, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2025 at 10:58:23AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 07.10.25 23:44, Gregory Price wrote:
>> I mean, this is as ugly as it gets.
>>
>> Can't we just let that old approach RIP where it belongs? :)
>>
>
> Definitely - just found this previously existed and wanted to probe for
> how offensive reintroducing it would be. Seems the answer is essentially
> "lets do it a little differently".
>
>> Something I could sympathize is is treaing gigantic pages that are actually
>> migratable as movable.
>>
> ...
>> - gfp |= hugepage_movable_supported(h) ? GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE : GFP_HIGHUSER;
>> + gfp |= hugepage_migration_supported(h) ? GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE : GFP_HIGHUSER;
>>
>> Assume you want to offline part of the ZONE_MOVABLE there might still be sufficient
>> space to possibly allocate a 1 GiB area elsewhere and actually move the gigantic page.
>>
>> IIRC, we do the same for memory offlining already.
>>
>
> This is generally true of other page sizes as well, though, isn't it?
> If the system is truly so pressured that it can't successfully move a
> 2MB page - offline may still fail. So allowing 1GB pages is only a risk
> in the sense that they're harder to allocate new targets.
Right, but memory defragmentation works on pageblock level, so 2 MiB is
much MUCH more reliable :)
>
> It matters more if your system has 64GB than it does if it has 4TB.
>
>> Now, maybe we want to make the configurable. But then, I would much rather tweak the
>> hstate_is_gigantic() check in hugepage_movable_supported(). And the parameter
>> would need a much better name than some "treat as movable".
>>
>
> Makes sense - I think the change is logically equivalent.
>
> So it would look like...
>
> diff --git a/include/linux/hugetlb.h b/include/linux/hugetlb.h
> index 42f374e828a2..36b1eec58e6f 100644
> --- a/include/linux/hugetlb.h
> +++ b/include/linux/hugetlb.h
> @@ -924,7 +924,7 @@ static inline bool hugepage_movable_supported(struct hstate *h)
> if (!hugepage_migration_supported(h))
> return false;
>
> - if (hstate_is_gigantic(h))
> + if (hstate_is_gigantic(h) && !movable_gigantic_pages)
> return false;
> return true;
> }
>
> And adjust documentation accordingly.
>
> I'm running some tests in QEMU atm, but it's taking a bit. Will report
> back if I see issues with migration when this is turned on.
>
> If that's acceptable, I'll hack this up.
That looks better to me indeed.
Maybe we can export this toggle only if the arch supports migration?
Then there is also nothing odd to document.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-08 14:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-07 21:44 Gregory Price
2025-10-07 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-07 22:12 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 8:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 14:18 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 14:44 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-08 18:58 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 19:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 19:44 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 19:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 19:59 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 14:59 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-08 15:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 15:23 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-08 15:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 16:31 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-09 6:14 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-09 15:29 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-09 18:47 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-09 18:51 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09 21:31 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-10 7:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-10 18:53 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 16:08 ` Frank van der Linden
2025-10-08 16:39 ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 17:05 ` Gregory Price
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