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From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Yin Fengwei <fengwei.yin@intel.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Itaru Kitayama <itaru.kitayama@gmail.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
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	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH v7 00/10] Small-sized THP for anonymous memory
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:34:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f4c3972e-f341-4d15-baa2-bedda8d7a8ad@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <137902b6-24dc-4d51-9be2-6f94aa9dbc3a@redhat.com>

On 28/11/2023 14:09, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 28.11.23 13:15, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 28/11/2023 08:48, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. We are bikeshedding here. But if we really can't swallow "small-sized
>>>>> THP" then perhaps the most efficient way to move this forwards is to review
>>>>> the
>>>>> documentation (where "small-sized THP" appears twice in order to differentiate
>>>>> from PMD-sized THP) - its in patch 3. Perhaps it will be easier to come up
>>>>> with
>>>>> a good description in the context of those prose? Then once we have that,
>>>>> hopefully a term will fall out that I'll update the commit logs with.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will see you over in patch 3, then. I've already looked at it and am going
>>>> to suggest a long and a short name. The long name is for use in comments and
>>>> documentation, and the short name is for variable fragments:
>>>>
>>>>        Long name:  "pte-mapped THPs"
>>>>        Short names: pte_thp, or pte-thp
>>>
>>> The issue is that any THP can be pte-mapped, even a PMD-sized THP. However, the
>>> "natural" way to map a PMD-sized THP is using a PMD.
>>>
>>
>> How about we just stop trying to come up with a term for the "small-sized THP"
>> vs "PMD-sized THP" and instead invent a name that covers ALL THP:
>>
>> "multi-size THP" vs "PMD-sized THP".
>>
>> Then in the docs we can talk about how multi-size THP introduces the ability to
>> allocate memory in blocks that are bigger than a base page but smaller than
>> traditional PMD-size, in increments of a power-of-2 number of pages.
> 
> So you're thinking of something like "multi-size THP" as a feature name, and
> stating that for now we limit it to <= PMD size. mTHP would be the short name?

Sure.

> 
> For the stats, we'd document that "AnonHugePages" and friends only count
> traditional PMD-sized THP for historical reasons -- and that AnonHugePages
> should have been called AnonHugePmdMapped (which we could still add as an alias
> and document why AnonHugePages is weird).

Sounds good to me.

> 
> Regarding new stats, maybe an interface that indicates the actual sizes would be
> best. As discussed, extending the existing single-large-file statistics might
> not be possible and we'd have to come up with a new interface, that maybe
> completely lacks "AnonHugePages" and directly goes for the individual sizes.

Yes, but I think we are agreed this is future work.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-28 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-22 16:29 Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 01/10] mm: Allow deferred splitting of arbitrary anon large folios Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27  8:27   ` Barry Song
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 02/10] mm: Non-pmd-mappable, large folios for folio_add_new_anon_rmap() Ryan Roberts
2023-11-24 17:40   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-27 10:34     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27  4:36   ` Barry Song
2023-11-27 11:30     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 03/10] mm: thp: Introduce per-size thp sysfs interface Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29  3:42   ` John Hubbard
2023-11-29  8:05     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-29 11:05     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 19:40       ` John Hubbard
2023-11-30 12:14         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 04/10] mm: thp: Support allocation of anonymous small-sized THP Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27  3:41   ` Barry Song
2023-11-27 11:28     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 05/10] selftests/mm/kugepaged: Restore thp settings at exit Ryan Roberts
2023-11-23  5:54   ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 06/10] selftests/mm: Factor out thp settings management Ryan Roberts
2023-11-23  6:07   ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-27 12:22     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 07/10] selftests/mm: Support small-sized THP interface in thp_settings Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 08/10] selftests/mm/khugepaged: Enlighten for small-sized THP Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 09/10] selftests/mm/cow: Generalize do_run_with_thp() helper Ryan Roberts
2023-11-24 17:48   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-27 10:48     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 13:59       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-27 14:11         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 14:17           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-22 16:29 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 10/10] selftests/mm/cow: Add tests for anonymous small-sized THP Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 14:02   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-27 14:50     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-27 14:54       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-22 16:32 ` [RESEND PATCH v7 00/10] Small-sized THP for anonymous memory David Hildenbrand
2023-11-23  6:28 ` John Hubbard
2023-11-23 15:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-23 16:05   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-23 16:18     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-23 16:50       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-24  1:14         ` John Hubbard
2023-11-24  1:34         ` Zi Yan
2023-11-24  9:02           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-24  9:56   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-24 15:13     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-24 15:23       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-24 15:25       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-24 15:53         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-24 17:34           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-27  8:20             ` Alistair Popple
2023-11-27 10:31               ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28  2:09                 ` John Hubbard
2023-11-28  8:48                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-28 12:15                     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-28 14:09                       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-28 15:34                         ` Ryan Roberts [this message]
2023-11-28 16:40                           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-28 18:39                           ` John Hubbard
2023-11-29  9:59                             ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 19:46                               ` John Hubbard
2023-11-28  4:10               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-28  4:05             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-11-28  8:47               ` David Hildenbrand

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