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From: Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>
To: "Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>
Cc: Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Joel Granados <joel.granados@kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@oracle.com>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	Yongliang Gao <leonylgao@tencent.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] hung_task: Dump the blocking task stacktrace
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 09:22:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <edd2d160-e1ca-4d2e-be92-cb033d3b791f@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250220231857.6e377e5f208b60a7ba303cea@kernel.org>


On 2/20/25 9:18 AM, Masami Hiramatsu (Google) wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 15:20:39 -0500
> Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/25 10:02 AM, Lance Yang wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 9:33 PM Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> CC linux-mm
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 9:00 PM Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
>>>> <mhiramat@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The hung_task detector is very useful for detecting the lockup.
>>>>> However, since it only dumps the blocked (uninterruptible sleep)
>>>>> processes, it is not enough to identify the root cause of that
>>>>> lockup.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, if a process holds a mutex and sleep an event in
>>>>> interruptible state long time, the other processes will wait on
>>>>> the mutex in uninterruptible state. In this case, the waiter
>>>>> processes are dumped, but the blocker process is not shown
>>>>> because it is sleep in interruptible state.
>>> Cool! I just ran into something similar today, but with rwsem. In that
>>> case, the blocked process was locked up, and we could not identify
>>> the root cause either ;(
>> Once this patch series is settled down, we can extend rwsem to provide
>> similar feature.
> While discussing about rwsem with Sergey, he pointed that we can not
> identify a single blocker on rwsem, because several readers can block
> several writers. In this case, we need to dump all of them but we
> don't have such info.
>
> So anyway, I would like to start from mutex, which is the simplest one.
> For the other locks, we will discuss later. (or start with limited
> support, like showing only rwsem::owner)

Yes, reader tracking is a problem as the rw_semaphore structure doesn't 
store information about the reader-owners as the count can vary. That is 
a limitation that we have to live with.

Cheers,
Longman



  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-20 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <173997003868.2137198.9462617208992136056.stgit@mhiramat.tok.corp.google.com>
2025-02-19 13:33 ` Lance Yang
2025-02-19 15:02   ` Lance Yang
2025-02-19 20:20     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  1:27       ` Lance Yang
2025-02-20 14:18       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 14:22         ` Waiman Long [this message]
     [not found] ` <173997004932.2137198.7959507113210521328.stgit@mhiramat.tok.corp.google.com>
2025-02-19 16:23   ` [PATCH 1/2] hung_task: Show the blocker task if the task is hung on mutex Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 20:18     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-19 20:24       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 22:44         ` Waiman Long
2025-02-19 22:56           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-19 23:55             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  1:52               ` Lance Yang
2025-02-20  2:07               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  2:21                 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:23                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  1:36             ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  1:41               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  2:15                 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:27                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  3:29                     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:59                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  3:37                     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  9:29                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 13:28                         ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:40                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  3:11                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 13:13                     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 16:30                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 23:09         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-19 23:58           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  2:08             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  2:25               ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  1:40           ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:45           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20  3:46             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20  3:49             ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  4:19               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20  9:25               ` Masami Hiramatsu

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