From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Alan Stern' <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
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Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: Introduce ptr_eq() to preserve address dependency
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 17:11:05 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ea02ce2ce8a348efa8d461f84f976478@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82e97ad5-17ad-418d-8791-22297acc7af4@rowland.harvard.edu>
From: Alan Stern
> Sent: 30 September 2024 19:53
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 07:05:06PM +0200, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 9/30/2024 um 6:43 PM schrieb Alan Stern:
> > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 01:26:53PM +0200, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am 9/28/2024 um 4:49 PM schrieb Alan Stern:
> > > >
> > > > I should also point out that it is not enough to prevent the compiler from
> > > > using @a instead of @b.
> > > >
> > > > It must also be prevented from assigning @b=@a, which it is often allowed to
> > > > do after finding @a==@b.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't that be a bug?
> >
> > That's why I said that it is often allowed to do it. In your case it
> > wouldn't, but it is often possible when a and b are non-atomic &
> > non-volatile (and haven't escaped, and I believe sometimes even then).
> >
> > It happens for example here with GCC 14.1.0 -O3:
> >
> > int fct_hide(void)
> > {
> > int *a, *b;
> >
> > do {
> > a = READ_ONCE(p);
> > asm volatile ("" : : : "memory");
> > b = READ_ONCE(p);
> > } while (a != b);
> > OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR(b);
> > return *b;
> > }
> >
> >
> >
> > ldr r1, [r2]
> > ldr r3, [r2]
> > cmp r1, r3
> > bne .L6
> > mov r3, r1 // nay...
>
> A totally unnecessary instruction, which accomplishes nothing other than
> to waste time, space, and energy. But nonetheless, allowed -- I agree.
>
> The people in charge of GCC's optimizer might like to hear about this,
> if they're not already aware of it...
>
> > ldr r0, [r3] // yay!
> > bx lr
>
> One could argue that in this example the compiler _has_ used *a instead
> of *b. However, such an argument would have more force if we had
> described what we are talking about more precisely.
The 'mov r3, r1' has nothing to do with 'a'.
It is a more general problem that OPTIMISER_HIDE_VAR() pretty much
always ends up allocating a different internal 'register' for the
output and then allocating a separate physical rehgister.
There doesn't seem to be a later optimisation path to remove
'pointless' register moves.
David
>
> Yes, we do want to prevent compilers from doing this. I'm not sure that
> it really needs to be mentioned in the comments or commit description,
> though.
>
> Alan
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-28 13:51 [PATCH 0/2] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:49 ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 15:32 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 15:49 ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 21:15 ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30 9:42 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 11:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-30 12:06 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 13:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-28 22:26 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-28 23:55 ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-29 0:20 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30 8:57 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 9:15 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30 9:27 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30 9:33 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 10:12 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30 11:26 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 16:43 ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30 17:05 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 18:53 ` Alan Stern
2024-10-01 17:11 ` David Laight [this message]
2024-10-01 22:57 ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02 8:13 ` David Laight
2024-10-02 14:14 ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02 15:24 ` David Laight
2024-10-03 1:50 ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-03 13:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 17:07 ` David Laight
2024-10-03 18:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 11:54 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-10-07 13:18 ` David Laight
2024-10-07 13:21 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 14:59 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-28 23:24 ` Gary Guo
2024-09-29 10:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq() Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:58 ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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