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From: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,  Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	 linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] Avoid memory barrier in read_seqcount() through load acquire
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:42:36 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e9fd5ba0-bd84-76a8-a96e-1378c66d0774@gentwo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241023194543.GD11151@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, 23 Oct 2024, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > I doubt anybody will notice, and smp_load_acquire() is the future. Any
> > architecture that does badly on it just doesn't matter (and, as
> > mentioned, I don't think they even exist - "smp_rmb()" is generally at
> > least as expensive).
>
> Do we want to do the complementing patch and make write_seqcount_end()
> use smp_store_release() ?
>
> I think at least ARM (the 32bit thing) has wmb but uses mb for
> store_release. But I also think I don't really care about that.

The proper instruction would be something like

atomic_inc_release(&seqcount)

The current atomics do not provide such a macro.

The closest in the current tree is atomic_inc_return_release().

We would prefer atomic_inc_release(&seqcount) because such an
atomic may be executed as a far atomic in the ARM mesh.

This could be cheaper than a local atomic and could f.e. be executed
on the memory controller of a remote NUMA node in order to avoid a costly
transfer of cacheline ownership.

The code generated is a atomic that also does a release. So there would be
no extra barrier etc needed.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-23 23:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-12 22:44 Christoph Lameter via B4 Relay
2024-09-13 13:41 ` kernel test robot
2024-09-16 17:52   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-09-17  7:37     ` Will Deacon
2024-09-17 11:50       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-09-18  0:45         ` Vivi, Rodrigo
2024-09-13 13:41 ` kernel test robot
2024-09-17  7:12 ` Will Deacon
2024-09-18 11:03   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-09-18 15:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-23 16:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-23 19:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-23 20:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-28 14:10             ` Will Deacon
2024-10-23 23:42           ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere) [this message]
2024-10-25  7:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-25 19:30               ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-09-17 11:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-09-18 11:11   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)

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