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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: switch deferred split shrinker to list_lru
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2026 08:21:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e9631520-857f-4f67-8944-6af7a2b47e89@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <absr1vgNP_tM1OEP@cmpxchg.org>


>>
>> So, in all anon alloc paths, we essentialy have
>>
>> 1) vma_alloc_folio / __folio_alloc (khugepaged being odd)
>> 2) mem_cgroup_charge / mem_cgroup_swapin_charge_folio
>> 3) memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio
>>
>> I wonder if we could do better in most cases and have something like a
>>
>> 	vma_alloc_anon_folio()
>>
>> That wraps the vma_alloc_folio() + memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio(), but
>> still leaves the charging to the caller?
> 
> Hm, but it's the charging that figures out the memcg and sets
> folio_memcg() :(

Oh ... right. I guess we would then have to do all 3 things at the same
time, which makes the helper a bit more involved.

I'll note that collapse_file() also calls alloc_charge_folio(), but not
for allocating an anonymous folio that would have to be placed on the
deferred split queue.

> 
>> The would at least combine 1) and 3) in a single API. (except for the
>> odd cases without a VMA).
>>
>> I guess we would want to skip the memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio() for
>> order-0 folios, correct?
> 
> Yeah, we don't use the queue for < order-1. In deferred_split_folio():
> 
> 	/*
> 	 * Order 1 folios have no space for a deferred list, but we also
> 	 * won't waste much memory by not adding them to the deferred list.
> 	 */
> 	if (folio_order(folio) <= 1)
> 		return;
> 
>>> @@ -3802,33 +3706,28 @@ static int __folio_freeze_and_split_unmapped(struct folio *folio, unsigned int n
>>>  	struct folio *new_folio, *next;
>>>  	int old_order = folio_order(folio);
>>>  	int ret = 0;
>>> -	struct deferred_split *ds_queue;
>>> +	struct list_lru_one *l;
>>>  
>>>  	VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(!mapping && end);
>>>  	/* Prevent deferred_split_scan() touching ->_refcount */
>>> -	ds_queue = folio_split_queue_lock(folio);
>>> +	rcu_read_lock();
>>
>> The RCU lock is for the folio_memcg(), right?
>>
>> I recall I raised in the past that some get/put-like logic (that wraps
>> the rcu_read_lock() + folio_memcg()) might make this a lot easier to get.
>>
>>
>> memcg = folio_memcg_lookup(folio)
>>
>> ... do stuff
>>
>> folio_memcg_putback(folio, memcg);
>>
>> Or sth like that.
>>
>>
>> Alternativey, you could have some helpers that do the
>> list_lru_lock+unlock etc.
>>
>> folio_memcg_list_lru_lock()
>> ...
>> folio_memcg_list_ru_unlock(l);
>>
>> Just some thoughts as inspiration :)
> 
> I remember you raising this in the objcg + reparenting patches. There
> are a few more instances of
> 
> 	rcu_read_lock()
> 	foo = folio_memcg()
> 	...
> 	rcu_read_unlock()
> 
> in other parts of the code not touched by these patches here, so the
> first pattern is a more universal encapsulation.
> 
> Let me look into this. Would you be okay with a follow-up that covers
> the others as well?

Of course :) If list_lru lock helpers would be the right thing to do, it
might be better placed in this series.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-19  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-12 20:51 [PATCH v2 0/7] mm: switch THP " Johannes Weiner
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] mm: list_lru: lock_list_lru_of_memcg() cannot return NULL if !skip_empty Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:43   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-18 17:56   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-18 19:25     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-18 19:34       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: list_lru: deduplicate unlock_list_lru() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:44   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-18 17:57   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] mm: list_lru: move list dead check to lock_list_lru_of_memcg() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:47   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] mm: list_lru: deduplicate lock_list_lru() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:51   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] mm: list_lru: introduce caller locking for additions and deletions Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 10:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-17 14:03     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 14:34       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 16:35         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] mm: list_lru: introduce memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 10:09   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: switch deferred split shrinker to list_lru Johannes Weiner
2026-03-18 20:25   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-18 22:48     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-19  7:21       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-03-20 16:02         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-23 19:39           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-20 16:07         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-23 19:32           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-13 17:39 ` [syzbot ci] Re: mm: switch THP " syzbot ci
2026-03-13 23:08   ` Johannes Weiner

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