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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200306162858.zy6u3tvutxvf27yw@wittgenstein> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On 3/6/20 11:28 AM, Christian Brauner wrote: > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 08:15:10AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote: >> On Fri, 2020-03-06 at 09:35 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: >>> Many people have suggested this elsewhere, but I think we really need >>> to seriously consider it. Most of us all go to the Linux Plumbers >>> conference. We could accomplish our main goals with Plumbers without >>> having to deal with all of the above problems. >> >> [I'm on the Plumbers PC, but not speaking for them, just making general >> observations based on my long history helping to run Plumbers] >> >> Plumbers has basically reached the size where we can't realistically >> expand without moving to the bigger venues and changing our evening >> events ... it's already been a huge struggle in Lisbon and Halifax >> trying to find a Restaurant big enough for the closing party. >> >> The other reason for struggling to keep Plumbers around 500 is that the >> value of simply running into people and having an accidental hallway >> track, which is seen as a huge benefit of plumbers, starts diminishing. >> In fact, having a working hallway starts to become a problem as well >> as we go up in numbers (plus in that survey we keep sending out those >> who reply don't want plumbers to grow too much in size). >> >> The other problem is content: you're a 3 day 4 track event and we're a >> 3 day 6 track event. We get enough schedule angst from 6 tracks ... 10 >> would likely become hugely difficult. If we move to 5 days, we'd have >> to shove the Maintainer Summit on the Weekend (you can explain that one >> to Linus) but we'd still be in danger of the day 4 burn out people used >> to complain about when OLS and KS were co-located. >> >> So, before you suggest Plumbers as the magic answer consider that the >> problems you cite below don't magically go away, they just become >> someone else's headache. >> >> That's not to say this isn't a good idea, it's just to execute it we'd >> have to transform Plumbers and we should have a community conversation >> about that involving the current Plumbers PC before deciding it's the >> best option. > > It's unlikely that this could still be done given that we're also facing > a little uncertainty for Plumbers. It seems like a lot of additional > syncing would be needed. > But the main concern I have is that co-locating both is probably quite > challenging for anyone attending both especially when organizing > something like a microconference. > Yeah I want to be clear I'm not talking about this years conference, I'm talking about future conferences and if/how we want to make changes. I picked plumbers because by-in-large the overlap between plumbers attendance and LSFMMBPF attendance is pretty large, but obviously it doesn't have to be just that. Ted and others have suggested having a larger more inclusive conference opposite of plumbers, which I think is a really cool idea. Thanks, Josef