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From: Patrick Roy <roypat@amazon.co.uk>
To: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 30/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle folio preparation for guest_memfd mmap
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:56:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e8f55fef-1821-408e-88ed-b25200ef66c9@amazon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <diqzzfnkswiv.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com>

Hi Ackerley,

On Thu, 2024-10-03 at 22:32 +0100, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> Elliot Berman <quic_eberman@quicinc.com> writes:
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:44:01PM +0000, Ackerley Tng wrote:
>>> Since guest_memfd now supports mmap(), folios have to be prepared
>>> before they are faulted into userspace.
>>>
>>> When memory attributes are switched between shared and private, the
>>> up-to-date flags will be cleared.
>>>
>>> Use the folio's up-to-date flag to indicate being ready for the guest
>>> usage and can be used to mark whether the folio is ready for shared OR
>>> private use.
>>
>> Clearing the up-to-date flag also means that the page gets zero'd out
>> whenever it transitions between shared and private (either direction).
>> pKVM (Android) hypervisor policy can allow in-place conversion between
>> shared/private.
>>
>> I believe the important thing is that sev_gmem_prepare() needs to be
>> called prior to giving page to guest. In my series, I had made a
>> ->prepare_inaccessible() callback where KVM would only do this part.
>> When transitioning to inaccessible, only that callback would be made,
>> besides the bookkeeping. The folio zeroing happens once when allocating
>> the folio if the folio is initially accessible (faultable).
>>
>> From x86 CoCo perspective, I think it also makes sense to not zero
>> the folio when changing faultiblity from private to shared:
>>  - If guest is sharing some data with host, you've wiped the data and
>>    guest has to copy again.
>>  - Or, if SEV/TDX enforces that page is zero'd between transitions,
>>    Linux has duplicated the work that trusted entity has already done.
>>
>> Fuad and I can help add some details for the conversion. Hopefully we
>> can figure out some of the plan at plumbers this week.
> 
> Zeroing the page prevents leaking host data (see function docstring for
> kvm_gmem_prepare_folio() introduced in [1]), so we definitely don't want
> to introduce a kernel data leak bug here.
> 
> In-place conversion does require preservation of data, so for
> conversions, shall we zero depending on VM type?
> 
> + Gunyah: don't zero since ->prepare_inaccessible() is a no-op
> + pKVM: don't zero
> + TDX: don't zero
> + SEV: AMD Architecture Programmers Manual 7.10.6 says there is no
>   automatic encryption and implies no zeroing, hence perform zeroing
> + KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM: Doesn't have a formal definition so I guess
>   we could require zeroing on transition?

Maybe for KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM we could make zero-ing configurable
via some CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD flag, instead of forcing one specific
behavior. 

For the "non-CoCo with direct map entries removed" VMs that we at AWS
are going for, we'd like a VM type with host-controlled in-place
conversions which doesn't zero on transitions, so if
KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM ends up zeroing, we'd need to add another new VM
type for that.

Somewhat related sidenote: For VMs that allow inplace conversions and do
not zero, we do not need to zap the stage-2 mappings on memory attribute
changes, right?

> This way, the uptodate flag means that it has been prepared (as in
> sev_gmem_prepare()), and zeroed if required by VM type.
> 
> Regarding flushing the dcache/tlb in your other question [2], if we
> don't use folio_zero_user(), can we relying on unmapping within core-mm
> to flush after shared use, and unmapping within KVM To flush after
> private use?
> 
> Or should flush_dcache_folio() be explicitly called on kvm_gmem_fault()?
> 
> clear_highpage(), used in the non-hugetlb (original) path, doesn't flush
> the dcache. Was that intended?
> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elliot
>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240726185157.72821-8-pbonzini@redhat.com/
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/diqz34ldszp3.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com/

Best, 
Patrick


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-07 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-10 23:43 [RFC PATCH 00/39] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 01/39] mm: hugetlb: Simplify logic in dequeue_hugetlb_folio_vma() Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 02/39] mm: hugetlb: Refactor vma_has_reserves() to should_use_hstate_resv() Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 03/39] mm: hugetlb: Remove unnecessary check for avoid_reserve Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 04/39] mm: mempolicy: Refactor out policy_node_nodemask() Ackerley Tng
2024-09-11 16:46   ` Gregory Price
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 05/39] mm: hugetlb: Refactor alloc_buddy_hugetlb_folio_with_mpol() to interpret mempolicy instead of vma Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 06/39] mm: hugetlb: Refactor dequeue_hugetlb_folio_vma() to use mpol Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 07/39] mm: hugetlb: Refactor out hugetlb_alloc_folio Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 08/39] mm: truncate: Expose preparation steps for truncate_inode_pages_final Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 09/39] mm: hugetlb: Expose hugetlb_subpool_{get,put}_pages() Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 10/39] mm: hugetlb: Add option to create new subpool without using surplus Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 11/39] mm: hugetlb: Expose hugetlb_acct_memory() Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 12/39] mm: hugetlb: Move and expose hugetlb_zero_partial_page() Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 13/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Make guest mem use guest mem inodes instead of anonymous inodes Ackerley Tng
2025-04-02  4:01   ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-23 20:22     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-24  3:53       ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 14/39] KVM: guest_memfd: hugetlb: initialization and cleanup Ackerley Tng
2024-09-20  9:17   ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-10-01 23:00     ` Ackerley Tng
2024-12-01 17:59   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-13  9:47     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-02-26 18:55       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-03-06 17:33   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 15/39] KVM: guest_memfd: hugetlb: allocate and truncate from hugetlb Ackerley Tng
2024-09-13 22:26   ` Elliot Berman
2024-10-03 20:23     ` Ackerley Tng
2024-10-30  9:01   ` Jun Miao
2025-02-11  1:21     ` Ackerley Tng
2024-12-01 17:55   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-13  7:52     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-02-13 16:48       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 16/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Add page alignment check for hugetlb guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 17/39] KVM: selftests: Add basic selftests for hugetlb-backed guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 18/39] KVM: selftests: Support various types of backing sources for private memory Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 19/39] KVM: selftests: Update test for various private memory backing source types Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 20/39] KVM: selftests: Add private_mem_conversions_test.sh Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 21/39] KVM: selftests: Test that guest_memfd usage is reported via hugetlb Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 22/39] mm: hugetlb: Expose vmemmap optimization functions Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 23/39] mm: hugetlb: Expose HugeTLB functions for promoting/demoting pages Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 24/39] mm: hugetlb: Add functions to add/move/remove from hugetlb lists Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 25/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Split HugeTLB pages for guest_memfd use Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 26/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Track faultability within a struct kvm_gmem_private Ackerley Tng
2024-10-10 16:06   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-11 23:32     ` Ackerley Tng
2024-10-15 21:34       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-15 23:42         ` Ackerley Tng
2024-10-16  8:45           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-16 20:16             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-16 22:51               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-16 23:49                 ` Peter Xu
2024-10-16 23:54                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-17 14:58                     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-17 16:47                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-17 17:05                         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-17 17:10                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-17 19:11                             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-17 19:18                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-17 19:29                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-18  7:15                                 ` Patrick Roy
2024-10-18  7:50                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-18  9:34                                     ` Patrick Roy
2024-10-17 17:11                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-17 17:16                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-10-17 17:55                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-17 18:26                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-10-17 14:56                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-17 15:02               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-16  8:50           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-16 10:48             ` Vishal Annapurve
2024-10-16 11:54               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-16 11:57                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-25 20:37   ` Peter Xu
2025-04-23 22:07     ` Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 27/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Allow mmapping guest_memfd files Ackerley Tng
2025-01-20 22:42   ` Peter Xu
2025-04-23 20:25     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-03-04 23:24   ` Peter Xu
2025-04-02  4:07   ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-23 20:28     ` Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH 28/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Use vm_type to determine default faultability Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 29/39] KVM: Handle conversions in the SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES ioctl Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 30/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle folio preparation for guest_memfd mmap Ackerley Tng
2024-09-16 20:00   ` Elliot Berman
2024-10-03 21:32     ` Ackerley Tng
2024-10-03 23:43       ` Ackerley Tng
2024-10-08 19:30         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-07 15:56       ` Patrick Roy [this message]
2024-10-08 18:07         ` Ackerley Tng
2024-10-08 19:56           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-09  3:51             ` Manwaring, Derek
2024-10-09 13:52               ` Andrew Cooper
2024-10-10 16:21             ` Patrick Roy
2024-10-10 19:27               ` Manwaring, Derek
2024-10-17 23:16               ` Ackerley Tng
2024-10-18  7:10                 ` Patrick Roy
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 31/39] KVM: selftests: Allow vm_set_memory_attributes to be used without asserting return value of 0 Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 32/39] KVM: selftests: Test using guest_memfd memory from userspace Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 33/39] KVM: selftests: Test guest_memfd memory sharing between guest and host Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 34/39] KVM: selftests: Add notes in private_mem_kvm_exits_test for mmap-able guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 35/39] KVM: selftests: Test that pinned pages block KVM from setting memory attributes to PRIVATE Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 36/39] KVM: selftests: Refactor vm_mem_add to be more flexible Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 37/39] KVM: selftests: Add helper to perform madvise by memslots Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 38/39] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test for mmap()able guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2024-09-10 23:44 ` [RFC PATCH 39/39] KVM: guest_memfd: Dynamically split/reconstruct HugeTLB page Ackerley Tng
2025-04-03 12:33   ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-23 22:02     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-24  1:09       ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  4:25         ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24  5:55           ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-24  8:13             ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 14:10               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-04-24 18:15                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-25  4:02                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25 22:45                     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-28  1:05                       ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-28 19:02                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-04-30 20:09                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-06  1:23                           ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 19:22                             ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-07  3:15                               ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 17:33                                 ` Ackerley Tng
2024-09-11  6:56 ` [RFC PATCH 00/39] 1G page support for guest_memfd Michal Hocko
2024-09-14  1:08 ` Du, Fan
2024-09-14 13:34   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-01-28  9:42 ` Amit Shah
2025-02-03  8:35   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-02-06 11:07     ` Amit Shah
2025-02-07  6:25       ` Ackerley Tng

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