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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 12:09:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e7acb889-1fe9-4db3-acf4-39f4960e8ccd@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ca2054ad-b163-4e61-8ec4-6f2e36461628-agordeev@linux.ibm.com>

On 09.09.25 11:40, Alexander Gordeev wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 11:07:36AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 08.09.25 09:39, Kevin Brodsky wrote:
>>> arch_{enter,leave}_lazy_mmu_mode() currently have a stateless API
>>> (taking and returning no value). This is proving problematic in
>>> situations where leave() needs to restore some context back to its
>>> original state (before enter() was called). In particular, this
>>> makes it difficult to support the nesting of lazy_mmu sections -
>>> leave() does not know whether the matching enter() call occurred
>>> while lazy_mmu was already enabled, and whether to disable it or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> This patch gives all architectures the chance to store local state
>>> while inside a lazy_mmu section by making enter() return some value,
>>> storing it in a local variable, and having leave() take that value.
>>> That value is typed lazy_mmu_state_t - each architecture defining
>>> __HAVE_ARCH_ENTER_LAZY_MMU_MODE is free to define it as it sees fit.
>>> For now we define it as int everywhere, which is sufficient to
>>> support nesting.
> ...
>>> {
>>> + lazy_mmu_state_t lazy_mmu_state;
>>> ...
>>> - arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>> + lazy_mmu_state = arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>> ...
>>> - arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>> + arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode(lazy_mmu_state);
>>> ...
>>> }
>>>
>>> * In a few cases (e.g. xen_flush_lazy_mmu()), a function knows that
>>>     lazy_mmu is already enabled, and it temporarily disables it by
>>>     calling leave() and then enter() again. Here we want to ensure
>>>     that any operation between the leave() and enter() calls is
>>>     completed immediately; for that reason we pass LAZY_MMU_DEFAULT to
>>>     leave() to fully disable lazy_mmu. enter() will then re-enable it
>>>     - this achieves the expected behaviour, whether nesting occurred
>>>     before that function was called or not.
>>>
>>> Note: it is difficult to provide a default definition of
>>> lazy_mmu_state_t for architectures implementing lazy_mmu, because
>>> that definition would need to be available in
>>> arch/x86/include/asm/paravirt_types.h and adding a new generic
>>>    #include there is very tricky due to the existing header soup.
>>
>> Yeah, I was wondering about exactly that.
>>
>> In particular because LAZY_MMU_DEFAULT etc resides somewehere compeltely
>> different.
>>
>> Which raises the question: is using a new type really of any benefit here?
>>
>> Can't we just use an "enum lazy_mmu_state" and call it a day?
> 
> I could envision something completely different for this type on s390,
> e.g. a pointer to a per-cpu structure. So I would really ask to stick
> with the current approach.

Would that integrate well with LAZY_MMU_DEFAULT etc?

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-09 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-08  7:39 [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] mm: remove arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:29   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09  9:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:30   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09  5:40   ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09  9:05     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  9:07   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09  9:40     ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 10:09       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-09 11:45         ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 11:54           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:49             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:02               ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:28               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-10 15:16                 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-10 15:37                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-11 16:19                     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 18:14                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12  7:26                         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12  8:04                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12  8:48                             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12  8:55                               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:37                                 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 12:40                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:56                                     ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 13:02                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 14:05                                         ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 14:25                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 15:02                                             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:38               ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-10 16:11                 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 12:06                   ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-11 16:20                     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:57     ` Juergen Gross
2025-09-09 14:15       ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:08   ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] arm64: mm: fully support nested " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:30   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] x86/xen: support nested lazy_mmu sections (again) Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  9:13   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09  9:37     ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-09  9:56       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:28         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  9:42   ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] powerpc/mm: support nested lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: update lazy_mmu documentation Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08  9:30   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 16:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-09  9:10   ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09  2:16 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09  9:21   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:59     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 15:25     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-15  6:28       ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-15 11:19         ` Kevin Brodsky

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