From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 13:54:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e521b1f4-3f2b-48cd-9568-b9a4cf4c4830@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2fecfae7-1140-4a23-a352-9fd339fcbae5-agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
On 09.09.25 13:45, Alexander Gordeev wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 12:09:48PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 09.09.25 11:40, Alexander Gordeev wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 11:07:36AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> On 08.09.25 09:39, Kevin Brodsky wrote:
>>>>> arch_{enter,leave}_lazy_mmu_mode() currently have a stateless API
>>>>> (taking and returning no value). This is proving problematic in
>>>>> situations where leave() needs to restore some context back to its
>>>>> original state (before enter() was called). In particular, this
>>>>> makes it difficult to support the nesting of lazy_mmu sections -
>>>>> leave() does not know whether the matching enter() call occurred
>>>>> while lazy_mmu was already enabled, and whether to disable it or
>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> This patch gives all architectures the chance to store local state
>>>>> while inside a lazy_mmu section by making enter() return some value,
>>>>> storing it in a local variable, and having leave() take that value.
>>>>> That value is typed lazy_mmu_state_t - each architecture defining
>>>>> __HAVE_ARCH_ENTER_LAZY_MMU_MODE is free to define it as it sees fit.
>>>>> For now we define it as int everywhere, which is sufficient to
>>>>> support nesting.
>>> ...
>>>>> {
>>>>> + lazy_mmu_state_t lazy_mmu_state;
>>>>> ...
>>>>> - arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>>>> + lazy_mmu_state = arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>>>> ...
>>>>> - arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>>>> + arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode(lazy_mmu_state);
>>>>> ...
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> * In a few cases (e.g. xen_flush_lazy_mmu()), a function knows that
>>>>> lazy_mmu is already enabled, and it temporarily disables it by
>>>>> calling leave() and then enter() again. Here we want to ensure
>>>>> that any operation between the leave() and enter() calls is
>>>>> completed immediately; for that reason we pass LAZY_MMU_DEFAULT to
>>>>> leave() to fully disable lazy_mmu. enter() will then re-enable it
>>>>> - this achieves the expected behaviour, whether nesting occurred
>>>>> before that function was called or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: it is difficult to provide a default definition of
>>>>> lazy_mmu_state_t for architectures implementing lazy_mmu, because
>>>>> that definition would need to be available in
>>>>> arch/x86/include/asm/paravirt_types.h and adding a new generic
>>>>> #include there is very tricky due to the existing header soup.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I was wondering about exactly that.
>>>>
>>>> In particular because LAZY_MMU_DEFAULT etc resides somewehere compeltely
>>>> different.
>>>>
>>>> Which raises the question: is using a new type really of any benefit here?
>>>>
>>>> Can't we just use an "enum lazy_mmu_state" and call it a day?
>>>
>>> I could envision something completely different for this type on s390,
>>> e.g. a pointer to a per-cpu structure. So I would really ask to stick
>>> with the current approach.
>>
>> Would that integrate well with LAZY_MMU_DEFAULT etc?
>
> Hmm... I though the idea is to use LAZY_MMU_* by architectures that
> want to use it - at least that is how I read the description above.
>
> It is only kasan_populate|depopulate_vmalloc_pte() in generic code
> that do not follow this pattern, and it looks as a problem to me.
Yes, that's why I am asking.
What kind of information (pointer to a per-cpu structure) would you want
to return, and would handling it similar to how
pagefault_disable()/pagefault_enable() e.g., using a variable in
"current" to track the nesting level avoid having s390x to do that?
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-09 11:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-08 7:39 [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] mm: remove arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:29 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09 9:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: introduce local state for lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-09 5:40 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09 9:05 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 9:40 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 10:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:45 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-09 11:54 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-09 13:49 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:02 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-10 15:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-10 15:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-11 16:19 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 18:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 7:26 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 8:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 8:48 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 8:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:37 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 12:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 12:56 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 13:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 14:05 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-12 14:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-12 15:02 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 14:38 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-10 16:11 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-11 12:06 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-11 16:20 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:57 ` Juergen Gross
2025-09-09 14:15 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 10:08 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] arm64: mm: fully support nested " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] x86/xen: support nested lazy_mmu sections (again) Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 9:37 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-09 9:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 11:28 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 9:42 ` Jürgen Groß
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] powerpc/mm: support nested lazy_mmu sections Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 7:39 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: update lazy_mmu documentation Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-08 9:30 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-08 16:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-09 9:10 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-09 2:16 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-09 9:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 13:59 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-12 15:25 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-15 6:28 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-09-15 11:19 ` Kevin Brodsky
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