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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, clm@meta.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	willy@infradead.org, kirill@shutemov.name, bfoster@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/12] mm/filemap: make buffered writes work with RWF_UNCACHED
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 08:51:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e492e934-c162-430a-94b6-32d1ec29a782@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z1gmk_X9RrG7O0Fi@infradead.org>

On 12/10/24 4:31 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 06, 2024 at 11:22:55AM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>> Honestly, I'm not a fan of foliop_uncached or foliop_is_uncached.
>>
>> It definitely is what I would elegantly refer to as somewhat of a
>> hack... But it's not _that_ bad imho.
> 
> It's pretty horrible actually.

Tell us how you really feel :-)

>>> I think these two macros are only used for ext4 (or really, !iomap)
>>> support, right?  And that's only to avoid messing with ->write_begin?
>>
>> Indeed, ideally we'd change ->write_begin() instead. And that probably
>> should still be done, I just did not want to deal with that nightmare in
>> terms of managing the patchset. And honestly I think it'd be OK to defer
>> that part until ->write_begin() needs to be changed for other reasons,
>> it's a lot of churn just for this particular thing and dealing with the
>> magic pointer value (at least to me) is liveable.
> 
> ->write_begin() really should just go away, it is a horrible interface.
> Note that in that past it actually had a flags argument, but that got
> killed a while ago.
> 
>>> What if you dropped ext4 support instead? :D
>>
>> Hah, yes obviously that'd be a solution, then I'd need to drop btrfs as
>> well. And I would kind of prefer not doing that ;-)
> 
> Btrfs doesn't need it.  In fact the code would be cleaner and do less
> work with out, see the patch below.  And for ext4 there already is an
> iomap conversion patch series on the list that just needs more review,
> so skipping it here and growing the uncached support through that sounds
> sensible.

I can certainly defer the ext4 series if the below sorts out btrfs, if
that iomap conversion series is making progress. Don't have an issue
slotting behind that.

I'll check and test your btrfs tweak, thanks!

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-12 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-03 15:31 [PATCHSET v6 0/12] Uncached buffered IO Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 01/12] mm/filemap: change filemap_create_folio() to take a struct kiocb Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 15:49     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm/readahead: add folio allocation helper Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm: add PG_uncached page flag Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm/readahead: add readahead_control->uncached member Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm/filemap: use page_cache_sync_ra() to kick off read-ahead Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 06/12] mm/truncate: add folio_unmap_invalidate() helper Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 20:19     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 07/12] fs: add RWF_UNCACHED iocb and FOP_UNCACHED file_operations flag Jens Axboe
2024-12-06 17:35   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-10 11:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 19:42     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm/filemap: add read support for RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 09/12] mm/filemap: drop uncached pages when writeback completes Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm/filemap: add filemap_fdatawrite_range_kick() helper Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm/filemap: make buffered writes work with RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2024-12-06 17:17   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-06 18:22     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 15:51         ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2024-12-03 15:31 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm: add FGP_UNCACHED folio creation flag Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 18:23 ` [PATCHSET v6 0/12] Uncached buffered IO Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-03 21:06   ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-03 22:16     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-03 22:41       ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-04  5:52         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-04 16:36           ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-10 11:11           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-12 15:48             ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-12 16:59               ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-12 19:14                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-12 19:35                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-12 19:36                     ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-12 20:06                     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-13  5:04                     ` Johannes Weiner
2024-12-13 14:49                       ` Jens Axboe
2024-12-06 17:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-10  9:48 ` Bharata B Rao
2024-12-12 15:46   ` Jens Axboe

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