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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Xu Xin <xu.xin16@zte.com.cn>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] mm: prevent KSM from completely breaking VMA merging
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 20:59:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e2910260-8deb-44ce-b6c9-376b4917ecea@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2be98bcf-abf5-4819-86d4-74d57cac1fcd@lucifer.local>

>>
>> I am not 100% sure why we bail out on special mappings: all we have to do is
>> reliably identify anon pages, and we should be able to do that.
> 
> But they map e.g. kernel memory (at least for VM_PFNMAP, purely and by
> implication really VM_IO), it wouldn't make sense for KSM to be asked to
> try to merge these right?
> 
> And of course no underlying struct page to pin, no reference counting
> either, so I think you'd end up in trouble potentially here wouldn't you?
> And how would the CoW work?

KSM only operates on anonymous pages. It cannot de-duplicate anything 
else. (therefore, only MAP_PRIVATE applies)

Anything else (no struct page, not a CoW anon folio in such a mapping) 
is skipped.

Take a look at scan_get_next_rmap_item() where we do

folio = folio_walk_start(&fw, vma, ksm_scan.address, 0);
if (folio) {
	if (!folio_is_zone_device(folio) &&
	    folio_test_anon(folio)) {
		folio_get(folio);
		tmp_page = fw.page;
	}
	folio_walk_end(&fw, vma)
}


Before I changed that code, we were using GUP. And GUP just always 
refuses VM_IO|VM_PFNMAP because it cannot handle it properly.

>>
>> So, assuming we could remove the VM_PFNMAP | VM_IO | VM_DONTEXPAND |
>> VM_MIXEDMAP constraint from vma_ksm_compatible(), could we simplify?
> 
> Well I question removing this constraint for above reasons.
> 
> At any rate, even if we _could_ this feels like a bigger change that we	
> should come later.

"bigger" -- it might just be removing these 4 flags from the check ;)

I'll dig a bit more.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-19 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-19  8:51 [PATCH 0/4] mm: ksm: prevent KSM from entirely " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19  8:51 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: ksm: have KSM VMA checks not require a VMA pointer Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 17:40   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-20  3:14   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-19  8:51 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm: ksm: refer to special VMAs via VM_SPECIAL in ksm_compatible() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 17:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-20  3:15   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-19  8:51 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: prevent KSM from completely breaking VMA merging Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 13:08   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-19 13:13     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 13:19   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-19 13:36     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 18:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-19 18:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-19 19:02       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 19:11         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-19 19:26           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 19:29             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-19 18:52     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 18:59       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-05-19 19:14         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 19:18           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 19:28           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-19 21:57       ` Andrew Morton
2025-05-20  5:25         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-20  3:55   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-20  5:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19  8:51 ` [PATCH 4/4] tools/testing/selftests: add VMA merge tests for KSM merge Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-21  8:07   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-05-21  8:10     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-19 11:53 ` [PATCH 0/4] mm: ksm: prevent KSM from entirely breaking VMA merging David Hildenbrand
2025-05-19 11:56   ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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