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From: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Ujwal Kundur <ujwal.kundur@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 12:53:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <du5pzxmfk6lile3ykpaloylwz4eni6disj2oe25eq6ipzqemiw@ybcouflfnlev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMp-kW3OLqtZs8sh@kernel.org>

* Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org> [250917 05:26]:
> Hi Liam,
> 
> On Mon, Sep 08, 2025 at 12:53:37PM -0400, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> > 
> > Reading through the patches, I'm not entirely sure what you are
> > proposing.
> > 
> > What I was hoping to see by a generalization of the memory types is a
> > much simpler shared code base until the code hit memory type specific
> > areas where a function pointer could be used to keep things from getting
> > complicated (or, I guess a switch statement..).
> > 
> > What we don't want is non-mm code specifying values for the function
> > pointer and doing what they want, or a function pointer that returns a
> > core mm resource (in the old example this was a vma, here it is a
> > folio).
> > 
> > From this patch set:
> > +        * Return: zero if succeeded, negative for errors.
> > +        */
> > +       int (*uffd_get_folio)(struct inode *inode, pgoff_t pgoff,
> > +                             struct folio **folio);
> > 
> > This is one of the contention points in the current scenario as the
> > folio would be returned.
> 
> I don't see a problem with it. It's not any different from
> vma_ops->fault(): a callback for a filesystem to get a folio that will be
> mapped afterwards by the mm code.
> 

I disagree, the filesystem vma_ops->fault() is not a config option like
this one.  So we are on a path to enable uffd by default, and it really
needs work beyond this series.  Setting up a list head and passing in
through every call stack is far from idea.

I also think the filesystem model is not one we want to duplicate in mm
for memory types - think of the test issues we have now and then have a
look at the xfstests support of filesystems [1].

So we are on a path of less test coverage, and more code that is
actually about mm that is outside of mm.  So, is there another way?

Cheers,
Liam

[1]. https://github.com/kdave/xfstests/blob/master/README#L37



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-27 15:46 [PATCH v2 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types Peter Xu
2025-06-27 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API Peter Xu
2025-06-29  8:50   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-02 19:30     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-30 10:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-01 17:04     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-02 15:40       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-02 15:56       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-02 17:08         ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-07-02 17:39           ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-02 19:46             ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03 17:48               ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-04  9:34                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-04 14:59                   ` Peter Xu
2025-07-04 19:39                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-01 16:01                       ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-09-08 16:53                         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-16 20:05                           ` Peter Xu
2025-09-17 15:29                             ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-17  9:25                           ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-17 16:53                             ` Liam R. Howlett [this message]
2025-09-18  8:37                               ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-18 16:47                                 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-18 17:15                                   ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-09-18 17:45                                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-18 17:53                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-18 18:20                                         ` Peter Xu
2025-09-18 19:43                                           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-18 21:07                                             ` Peter Xu
2025-09-19  1:50                                               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-19 14:16                                                 ` Peter Xu
2025-09-19 14:34                                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-19 15:12                                                     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-19 19:38                                                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-22 16:33                                                     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-22 17:20                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-22 18:03                                             ` Peter Xu
2025-09-18 17:54                                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-18 18:05                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-18 18:32                                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-18 19:32                                       ` Peter Xu
2025-09-19  9:05                                       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-09-16 19:55                       ` Peter Xu
2025-09-19 17:22                         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-22 16:38                           ` Peter Xu
2025-07-02 21:24           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-02 21:36             ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03  2:00               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-03 15:24                 ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03 16:15                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-03 17:39                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-02 20:24         ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03 16:32           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-02 18:16       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-02 20:22         ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03 15:01           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-03 15:45             ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03 16:01               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-27 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm/shmem: Support " Peter Xu
2025-06-29  8:51   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-27 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] mm/hugetlb: " Peter Xu
2025-06-29  8:52   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-27 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] mm: Apply vm_uffd_ops API to core mm Peter Xu
2025-06-29  8:55   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-07-02 20:38     ` Peter Xu
2025-06-30 10:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-01  0:15   ` Andrew Morton
2025-07-02 20:36   ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03 15:55     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-03 16:26       ` Peter Xu
2025-07-03 16:44         ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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