From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
"open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Juan Yescas <jyescas@google.com>,
android-mm <android-mm@google.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Optimizing Page Cache Readahead Behavior
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 13:03:07 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dsvx2hyrdnv7smcrgpicqirwsmq5mcmbl7dbwmrx7dobrnxpbh@nxdhmkszdzyk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC_TJvfG8GcwG_2w1o6GOTZS8tfEx2h9A91qsenYfYsX8Te=Bg@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 01:13:15PM -0800, Kalesh Singh wrote:
> Hi organizers of LSF/MM,
>
> I realize this is a late submission, but I was hoping there might
> still be a chance to have this topic considered for discussion.
>
> Problem Statement
> ===============
>
> Readahead can result in unnecessary page cache pollution for mapped
> regions that are never accessed. Current mechanisms to disable
> readahead lack granularity and rather operate at the file or VMA
> level. This proposal seeks to initiate discussion at LSFMM to explore
> potential solutions for optimizing page cache/readahead behavior.
>
>
> Background
> =========
>
> The read-ahead heuristics on file-backed memory mappings can
> inadvertently populate the page cache with pages corresponding to
> regions that user-space processes are known never to access e.g ELF
> LOAD segment padding regions. While these pages are ultimately
> reclaimable, their presence precipitates unnecessary I/O operations,
> particularly when a substantial quantity of such regions exists.
>
> Although the underlying file can be made sparse in these regions to
> mitigate I/O, readahead will still allocate discrete zero pages when
> populating the page cache within these ranges. These pages, while
> subject to reclaim, introduce additional churn to the LRU. This
> reclaim overhead is further exacerbated in filesystems that support
> "fault-around" semantics, that can populate the surrounding pages’
> PTEs if found present in the page cache.
>
> While the memory impact may be negligible for large files containing a
> limited number of sparse regions, it becomes appreciable for many
> small mappings characterized by numerous holes. This scenario can
> arise from efforts to minimize vm_area_struct slab memory footprint.
>
> Limitations of Existing Mechanisms
> ===========================
>
> fadvise(..., POSIX_FADV_RANDOM, ...): disables read-ahead for the
> entire file, rather than specific sub-regions. The offset and length
> parameters primarily serve the POSIX_FADV_WILLNEED [1] and
> POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED [2] cases.
>
> madvise(..., MADV_RANDOM, ...): Similarly, this applies on the entire
> VMA, rather than specific sub-regions. [3]
> Guard Regions: While guard regions for file-backed VMAs circumvent
> fault-around concerns, the fundamental issue of unnecessary page cache
> population persists. [4]
What if we introduced something like
madvise(..., MADV_READAHEAD_BOUNDARY, offset)
Would that be sufficient? And would a single readahead boundary offset
suffice?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-22 18:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-21 21:13 Kalesh Singh
2025-02-22 18:03 ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2025-02-23 5:36 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-23 5:42 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-23 9:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-23 12:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-23 5:34 ` Ritesh Harjani
2025-02-23 6:50 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-24 12:56 ` David Sterba
2025-02-24 14:14 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2025-02-24 14:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 16:31 ` Jan Kara
2025-02-24 16:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 21:36 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-24 21:55 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-24 23:56 ` Dave Chinner
2025-02-25 6:45 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-27 22:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-28 1:12 ` Dave Chinner
2025-02-28 9:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-02 0:13 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-25 5:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 6:59 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-25 16:36 ` Jan Kara
2025-02-26 0:49 ` Kalesh Singh
2025-02-25 16:21 ` Jan Kara
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