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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
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	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/10] mm/vma: clean up __vma_enter/exit_locked()
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 16:17:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <deb0271a-af67-4971-8e2a-be0f826aee2f@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0567268d-edea-4229-8bf4-bfbfc2af1fd4@suse.cz>

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 10:16:22AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 1/22/26 14:01, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > These functions are very confusing indeed. 'Entering' a lock could be
> > interpreted as acquiring it, but this is not what these functions are
> > interacting with.
> >
> > Equally they don't indicate at all what kind of lock we are 'entering' or
> > 'exiting'. Finally they are misleading as we invoke these functions when we
> > already hold a write lock to detach a VMA.
> >
> > These functions are explicitly simply 'entering' and 'exiting' a state in
> > which we hold the EXCLUSIVE lock in order that we can either mark the VMA
> > as being write-locked, or mark the VMA detached.
>
> If we hold a write lock (i.e. in vma_mark_detached()), that normally means
> it's also exclusive?
> And if we talk about the state between __vma_enter_exclusive_locked and
> __vma_exit_exclusive_locked() as "holding an EXCLUSIVE lock", it's not
> exactly the same lock as what we call "VMA write lock" right, so what lock
> is it?

Well it's not exclusive because spurious reader refcount increments are
possible (unless already detached of course...)

We are _excluding_ readers, including spurious ones realyl.

>
> Maybe it would help if we stopped calling this internal thing a "lock"?
> Except we use it for lockdep's lock_acquire_exclusive(). Sigh, sorry I don't
> have any great suggestion.
>
> Maybe call those functions __vma_exclude_readers_start() and
> __vma_exclude_readers_end() instead, or something?

Yeah that's probably better actually, will rename accordingly.

Cheers, Lorenzo


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-23 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-22 13:01 [PATCH RESEND v3 00/10] mm: add and use vma_assert_stabilised() helper Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 01/10] mm/vma: rename VMA_LOCK_OFFSET to VM_REFCNT_EXCLUDE_READERS_FLAG Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22 16:29     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 13:52       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:37   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 13:26     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 02/10] mm/vma: document possible vma->vm_refcnt values and reference comment Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:48   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22 17:28     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 15:06       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 13:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 03/10] mm/vma: rename is_vma_write_only(), separate out shared refcount put Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 17:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22 19:31     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23  8:24       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 14:52         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 15:05           ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:07             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 14:41       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-26 10:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 14:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 04/10] mm/vma: add+use vma lockdep acquire/release defines Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 19:32   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-22 19:41     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23  8:41       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:08         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 15:00     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23  8:48   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:10     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 05/10] mm/vma: de-duplicate __vma_enter_locked() error path Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 19:39   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 15:11     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23  8:54   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 15:10     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] mm/vma: clean up __vma_enter/exit_locked() Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:08   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 20:15   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-22 20:55     ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-23 16:15       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 16:33     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23  9:16   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 16:17     ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2026-01-23 16:28       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:01 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 07/10] mm/vma: introduce helper struct + thread through exclusive lock fns Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 21:41   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 17:59     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 19:34       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 20:04         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 22:07           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-24  8:54             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-26  6:09               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 10:02   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:18     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 08/10] mm/vma: improve and document __is_vma_write_locked() Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 21:55   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 16:21     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 17:42       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 18:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 09/10] mm/vma: update vma_assert_locked() to use lockdep Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 22:02   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 18:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 16:55   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:49     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 13:02 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 10/10] mm/vma: add and use vma_assert_stabilised() Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 22:12   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-01-23 18:54     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 17:10   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:51     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-23 23:35   ` Hillf Danton
2026-01-22 15:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v3 00/10] mm: add and use vma_assert_stabilised() helper Andrew Morton
2026-01-22 15:57   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-22 16:01     ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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