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(And/or >>> all files which only has you set as primary maintainer) >> >> I'd assume that (excluding MM bits, for example) falls in the foreseeable >> future >> under the "I plan to keep running the mm-nonmm branches.". >> >> What happens when Andrew fully retires is a probably a good question for >> the >> future :) >> >> > > Yeah David. True, but nobody lasts forever. Andrew is "stupidly busy" (his > words ;D), Yes, but he also writes (nonmm) "it's pretty quiet" ;) So, MM is the real struggle. > so the (basically) orphaned files like glob, or smth like that, > could go to someone who understands the code better and more likely than > not, has time to review. > > We may have to have a think about this. I'm sure (a) Andrew will enjoy being around and we will enjoy having Andrew around. (b) If Andrews workload is still too high, even after MM is handled differently, or when he wants to completely retire, I'm sure he will speak up. One step at a time. -- Cheers, David