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A new task_work is queued from task tick >>>>>>> handler to migrate them in batches. Migration is done >>>>>>> periodically or if pending number of isolated foios exceeds >>>>>>> a threshold. >>>>>> >>>>>> That means that these pages are effectively unmovable for other purposes (CMA, compaction, long-term pinning, whatever) until that list was drained. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bad. >>>>> >>>>> Probably we can mark these pages and when others want to migrate the page, >>>>> get_new_page() just looks at the page's target node and get a new page from >>>>> the target node. >>>> >>>> How do you envision that working when CMA needs to migrate this exact page to a different location? >>>> >>>> It cannot isolate it for migration because ... it's already isolated ... so it will give up. >>>> >>>> Marking might not be easy I assume ... >>> >>> I guess you mean we do not have any extra bit to indicate this page is isolated, >>> but it can be migrated. My point is that if this page is going to be migrated >>> due to other reasons, like CMA, compaction, why not migrate it to the target >>> node instead of moving it around within the same node. >> >> I think we'd have to identify that >> >> a) This page is isolate for migration (could be isolated for other >> reasons) >> >> b) The one responsible for the isolation is numa code (could be someone >> else) >> >> c) We're allowed to grab that page from that list (IOW sync against >> others, and especially also against), to essentially "steal" the >> isolated page. > > Right. c) sounds like adding more contention to the candidate list. > I wonder if we can just mark the page as migration candidate (using > a page flag or something else), then migrate it whenever CMA, > compaction, long-term pinning and more look at the page. I mean, all these will migrate the page either way, no need to add another flag for that. I guess what you mean, indicating that the migration destination should be on a different node than the current one. Well, and for the NUMA scanner (below) to find which pages to migrate. ... to be this raises some questions: like, if we don't migrate immediately, could that information ("migrate this page") actually now be wrong? I guess a way to obtain the destination node would suffice: if the destination node matches, no need to migrate from that NUMA scanner. In addition, > periodically, the migration task would do a PFN scanning and migrate > any migration candidate. I remember Willy did some experiments showing > that PFN scanning is very fast. PFN scanning can be faster than walking lists, but I suspect it depends on how many pages there really are to be migrated ... and some other factors :) -- Cheers, David / dhildenb