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From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Ulrich Weigand <uweigand@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, david@redhat.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, aarcange@redhat.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, frankja@linux.ibm.com, sfr@canb.auug.org.au,
	jhubbard@nvidia.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, kirill@shutemov.name,
	peterz@infradead.org, sean.j.christopherson@intel.com,
	Ulrich.Weigand@de.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] fs/splice: add missing callback for inaccessible pages
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 16:31:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <da6bc7cb-ef13-08cd-f162-663b4a66043b@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6e97a4b0-df4f-90c7-a6f7-61ee52e0833e@intel.com>



On 05.05.20 16:24, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 5/5/20 7:00 AM, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
>> We are certainly not married to our approach. I would happily extend/change
>> this to anything that works for your case and the s390 case. So can you outline
>> your requirements a bit more?
> 
> For SEV, the guest define which pages are encrypted or not.  You could
> theoretically do DMA to them or have the CPU access their contents, but
> you'd get either get ciphertext for reads, or data corruption and loss
> of cache coherency for writes.  That's not so cool.
> 
> Ideally, we would stop the CPU from ever accessing those pages by
> unmapping them.  But, the pages go in and out of the encrypted state and
> the host really needs to be *sure* about what's going on before it
> restores its mapping and messes with the page.  That includes situations
> where someone does a gup, starts an I/O to an unencrypted page, then the
> guest tries to convert that page over to being encrypted.
> 
> So, the requirements are:
> 
> 1. Allow host-side DMA and CPU access to shared pages
> 2. Stop host-side DMA and CPU access to encrypted pages
> 3. Allow pages to be converted between the states at the request of the
>    guest
> 
> Stopping the DMA is pretty easy, even across the gazillions of drivers
> in the tree because even random ethernet drivers do stuff like:
> 
>                 txdr->buffer_info[i].dma =
>                         dma_map_single(&pdev->dev, skb->data, skb->len,
>                                        DMA_TO_DEVICE);
> 
> So the DMA can be stopped at the mapping layer.  It's a *LOT* easier to
> catch there since the IOMMUs already provide isolation between the I/O
> and CPU address spaces.

And your problem is that the guest could convert this after the dma_map?
So you looked into our code if this would help?


  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-05 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-30 14:38 Claudio Imbrenda
2020-04-30 20:04 ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-04-30 22:06   ` Dave Hansen
2020-04-30 22:20     ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-01  7:18     ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-05-01 16:32       ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-04 13:41         ` Ulrich Weigand
2020-05-05 12:34           ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-05 13:55             ` Ulrich Weigand
2020-05-05 14:01               ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-05-05 14:03                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-05-05 14:33                   ` Ulrich Weigand
2020-05-05 14:49                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-05-05 14:57                 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-05 14:00             ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-05-05 14:24               ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-05 14:31                 ` Christian Borntraeger [this message]
2020-05-05 14:34                   ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-05 14:39                     ` Christian Borntraeger

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