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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 12/12] mm/rmap: keep mapcount untouched for device-exclusive entries
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:43:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d70db67d-8989-4ce4-bc21-52a89449db4b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z5t8dkujVv7xZiuV@phenom.ffwll.local>

>> Assume you have a THP (or any mTHP today). You can easily trigger the
>> scenario that folio_mapcount() != 0 with active device-exclusive entries,
>> and you start doing rmap walks and stumble over these device-exclusive
>> entries and *not* handle them properly. Note that more and more systems are
>> configured to just give you THP unless you explicitly opted-out using
>> MADV_NOHUGEPAGE early.
>>
>> Note that b756a3b5e7ea added that hunk that still walks these
>> device-exclusive entries in rmap code, but didn't actually update the rmap
>> walkers:
>>
>> @@ -102,7 +104,8 @@ static bool check_pte(struct page_vma_mapped_walk *pvmw)
>>
>>                  /* Handle un-addressable ZONE_DEVICE memory */
>>                  entry = pte_to_swp_entry(*pvmw->pte);
>> -               if (!is_device_private_entry(entry))
>> +               if (!is_device_private_entry(entry) &&
>> +                   !is_device_exclusive_entry(entry))
>>                          return false;
>>
>>                  pfn = swp_offset(entry);
>>
>> That was the right thing to do, because they resemble PROT_NONE entries and
>> not migration entries or anything else that doesn't hold a folio reference).
> 
> Yeah I got that part. What I meant is that doubling down on this needs a
> full audit and cannot rely on "we already have device private entries
> going through these paths for much longer", which was the impression I
> got. I guess it worked, thanks for doing that below :-)

I know I know, I shouldn't have touched it ... :)

So yeah, I'll spend some extra work on sorting out the other cases.

> 
> And at least from my very rough understanding of mm, at least around all
> this gpu stuff, tracking device exclusive mappings like real cpu mappings
> makes sense, they do indeed act like PROT_NONE with some magic to restore
> access on fault.
> 
> I do wonder a bit though what else is all not properly tracked because
> they should be like prot_none except arent. I guess we'll find those as we
> hit them :-/

Likely a lot of stuff. But more in a "entry gets ignored -- 
functionality not implemented, move along" way, because all page table 
walkers have to care about !pte_present() already; it's just RMAP code 
that so far never required it.

[...]

> 
>> If thp constantly reassembles a pmd entry because hey all the
>>> memory is contig and userspace allocated a chunk of memory to place
>>> atomics that alternate between cpu and gpu nicely separated by 4k pages,
>>> then we'll thrash around invalidating ptes to no end. So might be more
>>> fallout here.
>>
>> khugepaged will back off once it sees an exclusive entry, so collapsing
>> could only happen once everything is non-exclusive. See
>> __collapse_huge_page_isolate() as an example.
> 
> Ah ok. I think might be good to add that to the commit message, so that
> people who don't understand mm deeply (like me) aren't worried when they
> stumble over this change in the future again when digging around.

Will do, thanks for raising that concern!

> 
>> It's really only page_vma_mapped_walk() callers that are affected by this
>> change, not any other page table walkers.
> 
> I guess my mm understanding is just not up to that, but I couldn't figure
> out why just looking at page_vma_mapped_walk() only is good enough?

See above: these never had to handle !page_present() before -- in 
contrast to the other page table walkers.

So nothing bad happens when these page table walkers traverse these 
PTEs, it's just that the functionality will usually be implemented.

Take MADV_PAGEOUT as an example: madvise_cold_or_pageout_pte_range() 
will simply skip "!pte_present()", because it wouldn't know what to do 
in that case.

Of course, there could be page table walkers that check all cases and 
bail out if they find something unexpected: do_swap_page() cannot make 
forward progress and will inject a VM_FAULT_SIGBUS if it doesn't 
recognize the entry. But these are rather rare.

We could enlighten selected page table walkers to handle 
device-exclusive where it really makes sense later.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-30 15:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-29 11:53 [PATCH v1 00/12] mm: fixes for device-exclusive entries (hmm) David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:53 ` [PATCH v1 01/12] mm/gup: reject FOLL_SPLIT_PMD with hugetlb VMAs David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 21:42   ` John Hubbard
2025-01-30  8:56     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:46   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 02/12] mm/rmap: reject hugetlb folios in folio_make_device_exclusive() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:47   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 03/12] mm/rmap: convert make_device_exclusive_range() to make_device_exclusive() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:57   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31  0:28     ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31  9:29       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:46   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:56     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 04/12] mm/rmap: implement make_device_exclusive() using folio_walk instead of rmap walk David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  6:11   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:01     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:12       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:24       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 22:31         ` Alistair Popple
2025-02-04 10:56           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:40     ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30  9:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:00         ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:59           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31 17:00             ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 05/12] mm/memory: detect writability in restore_exclusive_pte() through can_change_pte_writable() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  9:51   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30  9:58     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:03       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 23:06         ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31 10:55           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31 17:05             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-04 10:58               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 06/12] mm: use single SWP_DEVICE_EXCLUSIVE entry type David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:43   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 23:28   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 07/12] mm/page_vma_mapped: device-private entries are not migration entries David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 23:36   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31 11:06     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 08/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in try_to_unmap_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 10:10   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 11:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:06       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 14:08         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-30 16:10           ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:52         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 09/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in try_to_migrate_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 10/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in folio_referenced_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 11/12] mm/rmap: handle device-exclusive entries correctly in page_vma_mkclean_one() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:54 ` [PATCH v1 12/12] mm/rmap: keep mapcount untouched for device-exclusive entries David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 10:37   ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 11:42     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:19       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:43         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-01-31 17:13           ` Simona Vetter

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