From: Nikhil Dhama <nikdhama@amd.com>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Nikhil Dhama <nikhil.dhama@amd.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, bharata@amd.com,
huang.ying.caritas@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
raghavendra.kodsarathimmappa@amd.com
Subject: Re: [FIX PATCH] mm: pcp: fix pcp->free_count reduction on page allocation
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:36:56 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d6774c69-7513-4c76-974e-65d564e94a48@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871pw33695.fsf@DESKTOP-5N7EMDA>
On 2/12/2025 2:10 PM, Huang, Ying wrote:
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> Nikhil Dhama <nikhil.dhama@amd.com> writes:
>
>> On 1/29/2025 10:01 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 19:19:02 +0800 "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 14:47:24 +0530 Nikhil Dhama <nikhil.dhama@amd.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In current PCP auto-tuning desgin, free_count was introduced to track
>>>>>> the consecutive page freeing with a counter, This counter is incremented
>>>>>> by the exact amount of pages that are freed, but reduced by half on
>>>>>> allocation. This is causing a 2-node iperf3 client to server's network
>>>>>> bandwidth to drop by 30% if we scale number of client-server pairs from 32
>>>>>> (where we achieved peak network bandwidth) to 64.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To fix this issue, on allocation, reduce free_count by the exact number
>>>>>> of pages that are allocated instead of halving it.
>>>>> The present division by two appears to be somewhat randomly chosen.
>>>>> And as far as I can tell, this patch proposes replacing that with
>>>>> another somewhat random adjustment.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the actual design here? What are we attempting to do and why,
>>>>> and why is the proposed design superior to the present one?
>>>> Cc Mel for the original design.
>>>>
>>>> IIUC, pcp->free_count is used to identify the consecutive, pure, large
>>>> number of page freeing pattern. For that pattern, larger batch will be
>>>> used to free pages from PCP to buddy to improve the performance. Mixed
>>>> free/allocation pattern should not make pcp->free_count large, even if
>>>> the number of the pages freed is much larger than that of the pages
>>>> allocated in the long run. So, pcp->free_count decreases rapidly for
>>>> the page allocation.
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Mel, please correct me if my understanding isn't correct.
>>>>
>>> hm, no Mel.
>>>
>>> Nikhil, please do continue to work on this - it seems that there will
>>> be a significant benefit to retuning this.
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> I have analyzed the performance of different memory-sensitive workloads for these
>> two different ways to decrement pcp->free_count. I compared the score amongst
>> v6.6 mainline, v6.7 mainline and v6.7 with our patch.
>>
>> For all the benchmarks, I used a 2-socket AMD server with 382 logical CPUs.
>>
>> Results I got are as follows:
>> All scores are normalized with respect to v6.6 (base).
>>
>>
>> For all the benchmarks below (iperf3, lmbench3 unix, netperf, redis, gups, xsbench),
>> a higher score is better.
>>
>> iperf3 lmbench3 Unix 1-node netperf 2-node netperf
>> (AF_UNIX) (SCTP_STREAM_MANY) (SCTP_STREAM_MANY)
>> ------- -------------- ------------------ ------------------
>> v6.6 (base) 100 100 100 100
>> v6.7 69 113.2 99 98.59
>> v6.7 with my patch 100 112.1 100.3 101.16
>>
>>
>> redis standard redis core redis L3 Heavy Gups xsbench
>> -------------- ---------- -------------- ---- -------
>> v6.6 (base) 100 100 100 100 100
>> v6.7 99.45 101.66 99.47 100 98.14
>> v6.7 with my patch 99.76 101.12 99.75 100 99.56
>>
>>
>> and for graph500, hashjoin, pagerank and Kbuild, a lower score is better.
>>
>> graph500 hashjoin hashjoin pagerank Kbuild
>> (THP always) (THP never)
>> --------- ------------ ----------- -------- ------
>> v6.6 (base) 100 100 100 100 100
>> v6.7 101.08 101.3 101.9 100 98.8
>> v6.7 with my patch 99.73 100 101.66 100 99.6
>>
>> from these result I can conclude that this patch is performing better
>> or as good as base v6.7 on almost all of these workloads.
> Sorry, this change doesn't make sense to me.
>
> For example, if a large size process exits on a CPU, pcp->free_count
> will increase on this CPU. This is good, because the process can free
> pages quicker during exiting with the larger batching. However, after
> that, pcp->free_count may be kept large for a long duration unless a
> large number of page allocation (without large number of page freeing)
> are done on the CPU. So, the page freeing parameter may be influenced
> by some unrelated workload for long time. That doesn't sound good.
>
> In effect, the larger pcp->free_count will increase page freeing batch
> size. That will improve the page freeing throughput but hurt page
> freeing latency. Please check the page freeing latency too. If larger
> batch number helps performance without regressions, just increase batch
> number directly instead of playing with pcp->free_count.
Okay I will check the page freeing latency too. and Will check if larger
batch number helps.
> And, do you run network related workloads on one machine? If so, please
> try to run them on two machines instead, with clients and servers run on
> different machines. At least, please use different sockets for clients
> and servers. Because larger pcp->free_count will make it easier to
> trigger free_high heuristics. If that is the case, please try to
> optimize free_high heuristics directly too.
I ran iperf3 and 2-node netperf on two machines, clients and servers
running
on different machines. And I ran 1-node netperf on one (2-socket) machine
with clients and servers running on different sockets.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-12 10:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-07 9:17 Nikhil Dhama
2025-01-08 5:05 ` Andrew Morton
2025-01-09 11:42 ` Nikhil Dhama
2025-01-15 11:06 ` Huang, Ying
2025-01-15 11:19 ` [FIX PATCH] mm: pcp: fix pcp->free_count reduction on page allocation, Huang, Ying
2025-01-29 4:31 ` Andrew Morton
2025-02-12 5:04 ` [FIX PATCH] mm: pcp: fix pcp->free_count reduction on page allocation Nikhil Dhama
2025-02-12 8:40 ` Huang, Ying
2025-02-12 10:06 ` Nikhil Dhama [this message]
2025-03-19 8:14 ` [PATCH -V2] mm: pcp: scale batch to reduce number of high order pcp flushes on deallocation Nikhil Dhama
2025-03-25 8:00 ` Raghavendra K T
2025-03-25 17:23 ` Nikhil Dhama
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