From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org>,
"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
"pedro.falcato@gmail.com" <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>,
Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] minmax: Simplify signedness check
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 10:43:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d48ce3b3-9173-4309-aae6-96be42327f97@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whLcr11D28vu2NotZYn3GNH6BCTK57Zw4d4v7eut39z=g@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:02:45AM GMT, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 02:01, David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
> >
> > The condition is '>= 0' so it doesn't matter if it is '1' or '0'.
>
> Yes, but that's because the whole conditional is so inexplicably complex.
>
> But the explanation is:
>
> > That gives a 'comparison of unsigned type against 0 is always true' warning.
> > (The compiler generates that for code in the unused branches of both
> > __builtin_choose_expr() and _Generic().)
> > Moving the comparison to the outer level stops all such compiler warnings.
>
> Christ. This whole series is a nightmare of "add complexity to deal
> with stupid issues".
>
> But the kernel test robot clearly found even more issues.
>
> I think we need to just go back to the old code. It was stupid and
> limited and caused us to have to be more careful about types than was
> strictly necessary.
The problem is simply reverting reveals that seemingly a _ton_ of code has
come to rely on the relaxed conditions.
When I went to gather the numbers for my initial report I had to manually
fix up every case which was rather painful, and that was just a defconfig +
a few extra options. allmodconfig is likely to be a hellscape.
I've not dug deep into the ins + outs of this, so forgive me for being
vague (Arnd has a far clearer understanding) - but it seems that the
majority of the complexity comes from having to absolutely ensure all this
works for compile-time constant values.
Arnd had a look through and determined there weren't _too_ many cases where
we need this (for instance array sizes).
So I wonder whether we can't just vastly simplify this stuff (and reducing
the macro expansion hell) for the usual case, and implement something like
cmin()/cmax() or whatever for the true-constant cases?
>
> But it was also about a million times simpler, and didn't cause build
> time regressions.
>
:)
> Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-26 9:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-24 14:26 [PATCH 0/7] minmax: reduce compilation time David Laight
2024-07-24 14:28 ` [PATCH 1/7] minmax: Put all the clamp() definitions together David Laight
2024-07-24 14:29 ` [PATCH 2/7] minmax: Use _Static_assert() instead of static_assert() David Laight
2024-07-24 14:29 ` [PATCH 3/7] compiler.h: Add __if_constexpr(expr, if_const, if_not_const) David Laight
2024-07-24 17:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-25 9:12 ` David Laight
2024-07-24 19:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-25 8:45 ` David Laight
2024-07-24 14:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] minmax: Simplify signedness check David Laight
2024-07-24 16:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-24 20:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-25 9:00 ` David Laight
2024-07-25 17:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26 9:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2024-07-26 12:57 ` David Laight
2024-07-26 13:27 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-25 13:24 ` kernel test robot
2024-07-25 16:39 ` David Laight
2024-07-24 14:31 ` [PATCH 5/7] minmax: Factor out the zero-extension logic from umin/umax David Laight
2024-07-24 14:32 ` [PATCH 6/7] minmax: Optimise _Static_assert() check in clamp() David Laight
2024-07-24 14:33 ` [PATCH 7/7] minmax: minmax: Add __types_ok3() and optimise defines with 3 arguments David Laight
2024-07-24 17:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-25 9:07 ` David Laight
2024-07-24 19:34 ` [PATCH 0/7] minmax: reduce compilation time Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-24 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26 18:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 19:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26 21:46 ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-26 22:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27 15:30 ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 15:38 ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 16:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 16:36 ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 16:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 16:52 ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 16:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-28 11:32 ` David Laight
2024-07-27 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27 4:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27 8:08 ` David Laight
2024-07-27 18:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-28 11:17 ` David Laight
2024-07-28 13:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 17:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-27 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27 8:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 16:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27 18:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-30 4:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-30 10:36 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-28 17:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-07-28 18:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 21:32 ` David Laight
2024-07-26 21:38 ` Linus Torvalds
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