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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org>,
	"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	"pedro.falcato@gmail.com" <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>,
	Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] minmax: Simplify signedness check
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 10:43:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d48ce3b3-9173-4309-aae6-96be42327f97@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whLcr11D28vu2NotZYn3GNH6BCTK57Zw4d4v7eut39z=g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:02:45AM GMT, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 at 02:01, David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
> >
> > The condition is '>= 0' so it doesn't matter if it is '1' or '0'.
>
> Yes, but that's because the whole conditional is so inexplicably complex.
>
> But the explanation is:
>
> > That gives a 'comparison of unsigned type against 0 is always true' warning.
> > (The compiler generates that for code in the unused branches of both
> > __builtin_choose_expr() and _Generic().)
> > Moving the comparison to the outer level stops all such compiler warnings.
>
> Christ. This whole series is a nightmare of "add complexity to deal
> with stupid issues".
>
> But the kernel test robot clearly found even more issues.
>
> I think we need to just go back to the old code. It was stupid and
> limited and caused us to have to be more careful about types than was
> strictly necessary.

The problem is simply reverting reveals that seemingly a _ton_ of code has
come to rely on the relaxed conditions.

When I went to gather the numbers for my initial report I had to manually
fix up every case which was rather painful, and that was just a defconfig +
a few extra options. allmodconfig is likely to be a hellscape.

I've not dug deep into the ins + outs of this, so forgive me for being
vague (Arnd has a far clearer understanding) - but it seems that the
majority of the complexity comes from having to absolutely ensure all this
works for compile-time constant values.

Arnd had a look through and determined there weren't _too_ many cases where
we need this (for instance array sizes).

So I wonder whether we can't just vastly simplify this stuff (and reducing
the macro expansion hell) for the usual case, and implement something like
cmin()/cmax() or whatever for the true-constant cases?

>
> But it was also about a million times simpler, and didn't cause build
> time regressions.
>

:)

>              Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-26  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-24 14:26 [PATCH 0/7] minmax: reduce compilation time David Laight
2024-07-24 14:28 ` [PATCH 1/7] minmax: Put all the clamp() definitions together David Laight
2024-07-24 14:29 ` [PATCH 2/7] minmax: Use _Static_assert() instead of static_assert() David Laight
2024-07-24 14:29 ` [PATCH 3/7] compiler.h: Add __if_constexpr(expr, if_const, if_not_const) David Laight
2024-07-24 17:32   ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-25  9:12     ` David Laight
2024-07-24 19:48   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-25  8:45     ` David Laight
2024-07-24 14:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] minmax: Simplify signedness check David Laight
2024-07-24 16:48   ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-24 20:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-25  9:00       ` David Laight
2024-07-25 17:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26  9:43           ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2024-07-26 12:57             ` David Laight
2024-07-26 13:27               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-25 13:24   ` kernel test robot
2024-07-25 16:39     ` David Laight
2024-07-24 14:31 ` [PATCH 5/7] minmax: Factor out the zero-extension logic from umin/umax David Laight
2024-07-24 14:32 ` [PATCH 6/7] minmax: Optimise _Static_assert() check in clamp() David Laight
2024-07-24 14:33 ` [PATCH 7/7] minmax: minmax: Add __types_ok3() and optimise defines with 3 arguments David Laight
2024-07-24 17:03   ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-25  9:07     ` David Laight
2024-07-24 19:34 ` [PATCH 0/7] minmax: reduce compilation time Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-24 19:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26 18:12     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 18:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26 18:56         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 19:21           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 21:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-26 21:46               ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-26 22:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27 15:30                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 15:38                   ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 16:31                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 16:36                       ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 16:41                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 16:52                           ` Jens Axboe
2024-07-27 16:56                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-28 11:32                       ` David Laight
2024-07-27  4:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27  4:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27  8:08                 ` David Laight
2024-07-27 18:58                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 19:21                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-28 11:17                     ` David Laight
2024-07-28 13:07                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 17:33                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-27 18:16                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27  8:07             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-27 16:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-27 18:44                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-30  4:10                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-30 10:36                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-28 17:57           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-07-28 18:43             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-07-26 21:32         ` David Laight
2024-07-26 21:38           ` Linus Torvalds

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