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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, "Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Vivek Goyal" <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	"Dave Young" <dyoung@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Janosch Frank" <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Claudio Imbrenda" <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Eric Farman" <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 03/11] fs/proc/vmcore: disallow vmcore modifications after the vmcore was opened
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 10:30:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d29d7816-a3e5-4f34-bb0c-dd427931efb4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z0BL/UopaH5Xg5jS@MiWiFi-R3L-srv>

On 22.11.24 10:16, Baoquan He wrote:
> On 10/25/24 at 05:11pm, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> ......snip...
>> @@ -1482,6 +1470,10 @@ int vmcore_add_device_dump(struct vmcoredd_data *data)
>>   		return -EINVAL;
>>   	}
>>   
>> +	/* We'll recheck under lock later. */
>> +	if (data_race(vmcore_opened))
>> +		return -EBUSY;
> 

Hi,

> As I commented to patch 7, if vmcore is opened and closed after
> checking, do we need to give up any chance to add device dumping
> as below?
> 
> fd = open(/proc/vmcore);
> ...do checking;
> close(fd);
> 
> quit any device dump adding;
> 
> run makedumpfile on s390;
>    ->fd = open(/proc/vmcore);
>      -> try to dump;
>    ->close(fd);

The only reasonable case where this could happen (with virtio_mem) would 
be when you hotplug a virtio-mem device into a VM that is currently in 
the kdump kernel. However, in this case, the device would not provide 
any memory we want to dump:

(1) The memory was not available to the 1st (crashed) kernel, because
     the device got hotplugged later.
(2) Hotplugged virtio-mem devices show up with "no plugged memory",
     meaning there wouldn't be even something to dump.

Drivers will be loaded (as part of the kernel or as part of the initrd) 
before any kdump action is happening. Similarly, just imagine your NIC 
driver not being loaded when you start dumping to a network share ...

This should similarly apply to vmcoredd providers.

There is another concern I had at some point with changing the effective 
/proc/vmcore size after someone already opened it, and might assume the 
size will stay unmodified (IOW, the file was completely static before 
vmcoredd showed up).

So unless there is a real use case that requires tracking whether the 
file is no longer open, to support modifying the vmcore afterwards, we 
should keep it simple.

I am not aware of any such cases, and my experiments with virtio_mem 
showed that the driver get loaded extremely early from the initrd, 
compared to when we actually start messing with /proc/vmcore from user 
space.

Thanks!

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-22  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-25 15:11 [PATCH v1 00/11] fs/proc/vmcore: kdump support for virtio-mem on s390 David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] fs/proc/vmcore: convert vmcore_cb_lock into vmcore_mutex David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:30   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15 10:03     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  8:16       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20  8:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] fs/proc/vmcore: replace vmcoredd_mutex by vmcore_mutex David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:32   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15 10:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  8:14       ` Baoquan He
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] fs/proc/vmcore: disallow vmcore modifications after the vmcore was opened David Hildenbrand
2024-11-22  9:16   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-22  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-11-25 14:41       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-29 10:38         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-03 10:42           ` Baoquan He
2024-12-03 10:51             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] fs/proc/vmcore: move vmcore definitions from kcore.h to crash_dump.h David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:44   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15  9:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  9:42       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20 10:28         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-21  4:35           ` Baoquan He
2024-11-21 15:37             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] fs/proc/vmcore: factor out allocating a vmcore memory node David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  9:45   ` Baoquan He
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] fs/proc/vmcore: factor out freeing a list of vmcore ranges David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  9:46   ` Baoquan He
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] fs/proc/vmcore: introduce PROC_VMCORE_DEVICE_RAM to detect device RAM ranges in 2nd kernel David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 10:13   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20 10:48     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 14:05       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20 14:39         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-21  4:30           ` Baoquan He
2024-11-21 19:47             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-22  7:51               ` Baoquan He
2024-11-22  7:31   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-22  9:47     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] virtio-mem: mark device ready before registering callbacks in kdump mode David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] virtio-mem: remember usable region size David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] virtio-mem: support CONFIG_PROC_VMCORE_DEVICE_RAM David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] s390/kdump: virtio-mem kdump support (CONFIG_PROC_VMCORE_DEVICE_RAM) David Hildenbrand
2024-11-04  6:21 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] fs/proc/vmcore: kdump support for virtio-mem on s390 Baoquan He
2024-11-15  8:46 ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15  8:55   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:48     ` Baoquan He

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