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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 4/4] mm/memory: document restore_exclusive_pte()
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:37:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cfc4f8ac-80c4-472f-85fc-36ffcd212441@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vejbjs7btkof4iguvn3nqvozxqpnzbymxbumd7pant4zi4ac4@3ozuzfzsm5tp>

On 30.01.25 01:27, Alistair Popple wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:58:02PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> Let's document how this function is to be used, and why the requirement
>> for the folio lock might maybe be dropped in the future.
> 
> Sorry, only just catching up on your other thread. The folio lock was to ensure
> the GPU got a chance to make forward progress by mapping the page. Without it
> the CPU could immediately invalidate the entry before the GPU had a chance to
> retry the fault.
 > > Obviously performance wise having such thrashing is terrible, so should
> really be avoided by userspace, but the lock at least allowed such programs
> to complete.

Thanks for the clarification. So it's relevant that the MMU notifier in 
remove_device_exclusive_entry() is sent after taking the folio lock.

However, as soon as we drop the folio lock, 
remove_device_exclusive_entry() will become active, lock the folio and 
trigger the MMU notifier.

So the time it is actually mapped into the device is rather

> 
>> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
>> ---
>>   mm/memory.c | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>   1 file changed, 25 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c
>> index 46956994aaff..caaae8df11a9 100644
>> --- a/mm/memory.c
>> +++ b/mm/memory.c
>> @@ -718,6 +718,31 @@ struct folio *vm_normal_folio_pmd(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>   }
>>   #endif
>>   
>> +/**
>> + * restore_exclusive_pte - Restore a device-exclusive entry
>> + * @vma: VMA covering @address
>> + * @folio: the mapped folio
>> + * @page: the mapped folio page
>> + * @address: the virtual address
>> + * @ptep: PTE pointer into the locked page table mapping the folio page
>> + * @orig_pte: PTE value at @ptep
>> + *
>> + * Restore a device-exclusive non-swap entry to an ordinary present PTE.
>> + *
>> + * The folio and the page table must be locked, and MMU notifiers must have
>> + * been called to invalidate any (exclusive) device mappings. In case of
>> + * fork(), MMU_NOTIFY_PROTECTION_PAGE is triggered, and in case of a page
>> + * fault MMU_NOTIFY_EXCLUSIVE is triggered.
>> + *
>> + * Locking the folio makes sure that anybody who just converted the PTE to
>> + * a device-private entry can map it into the device, before unlocking it; so
>> + * the folio lock prevents concurrent conversion to device-exclusive.
> 
> I don't quite follow this - a concurrent conversion would already fail
> because the GUP in make_device_exclusive_range() would most likely cause
> an unexpected reference during the migration. And if a migration entry
> has already been installed for the device private PTE conversion then
> make_device_exclusive_range() will skip it as a non-present entry anyway.

Sorry, I meant "device-exclusive", so migration is not a concern.

> 
> However s/device-private/device-exclusive/ makes sense - the intent was to allow
> the device to map it before a call to restore_exclusive_pte() (ie. a CPU fault)
> could convert it back to a normal PTE.
> 
>> + * TODO: the folio lock does not protect against all cases of concurrent
>> + * page table modifications (e.g., MADV_DONTNEED, mprotect), so device drivers
>> + * must already use MMU notifiers to sync against any concurrent changes
> 
> Right. It's expected drivers are using MMU notifiers to keep page tables in
> sync, same as for hmm_range_fault().

Let me try to rephrase it given that the folio lock is purely to 
guarantee forward-progress, not for correctness; that's what MMU 
notifiers must be used for.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-30  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-29 11:57 [PATCH v1 0/4] mm: cleanups for device-exclusive entries (hmm) David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:57 ` [PATCH v1 1/4] lib/test_hmm: make dmirror_atomic_map() consume a single page David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  0:29   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:58 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] mm/mmu_notifier: drop owner from MMU_NOTIFY_EXCLUSIVE David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:34   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:28     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30 13:29       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-29 11:58 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] mm/memory: pass folio and pte to restore_exclusive_pte() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  5:37   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-29 11:58 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] mm/memory: document restore_exclusive_pte() David Hildenbrand
2025-01-30  0:27   ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-30  9:37     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-01-30 13:31       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 15:29         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-31  0:14           ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31 17:20             ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-30 10:43     ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-31  0:20       ` Alistair Popple
2025-01-31  9:15         ` David Hildenbrand

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