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Likely order-1 will work. (although probably >>>> of questionable use :) ) >>> >>> You might have to expand on why its of "questionable use". I'd assume it has the >>> same amount of value as using order-1 for regular page cache pages? i.e. half >>> the number of objects to manage for the same amount of memory. >> >> order-1 was recently added for the pagecache to get some device setups running >> (IIRC, where we cannot use order-0, because device blocksize > PAGE_SIZE). >> >> You might be right about "half the number of objects", but likely just going for >> order-2, order-3, order-4 ... for shmem might be even better. And simply falling >> back to order-0 when you cannot get the larger orders. > > Sure, but then you're into the territory of baking in policy. Remember that > originally I was only interested in 64K but the concensus was to expose all the > sizes. Same argument applies to 8K; expose it and let others decide policy. I don't disagree. The point I'm trying to make is that there was so far there was no strong evidence that it is really required. Support for the pagecache had a different motivation for these special devices. But again, I agree that we should just make it consistent and allow for it. :) -- Cheers, David / dhildenb