From: Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
"lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Cloud storage optimizations
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2023 03:13:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cc51338a-15e7-4080-8228-53314441f0fa@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y/7L74P6jSWwOvWt@mit.edu>
(+linux-nvme)
On 2/28/2023 7:52 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> Emulated block devices offered by cloud VM’s can provide functionality
> to guest kernels and applications that traditionally have not been
> available to users of consumer-grade HDD and SSD’s. For example,
> today it’s possible to create a block device in Google’s Persistent
> Disk with a 16k physical sector size, which promises that aligned 16k
> writes will be atomically. With NVMe, it is possible for a storage
> device to promise this without requiring read-modify-write updates for
> sub-16k writes. All that is necessary are some changes in the block
> layer so that the kernel does not inadvertently tear a write request
> when splitting a bio because it is too large (perhaps because it got
> merged with some other request, and then it gets split at an
> inconvenient boundary).
>
> There are also more interesting, advanced optimizations that might be
> possible. For example, Jens had observed the passing hints that
> journaling writes (either from file systems or databases) could be
> potentially useful. Unfortunately most common storage devices have
> not supported write hints, and support for write hints were ripped out
> last year. That can be easily reversed, but there are some other
> interesting related subjects that are very much suited for LSF/MM.
>
> For example, most cloud storage devices are doing read-ahead to try to
> anticipate read requests from the VM. This can interfere with the
> read-ahead being done by the guest kernel. So being able to tell
> cloud storage device whether a particular read request is stemming
> from a read-ahead or not. At the moment, as Matthew Wilcox has
> pointed out, we currently use the read-ahead code path for synchronous
> buffered reads. So plumbing this information so it can passed through
> multiple levels of the mm, fs, and block layers will probably be
> needed.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-02 3:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-01 3:52 Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-01 4:18 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01 4:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01 4:59 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01 4:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01 4:49 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01 5:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01 5:09 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01 5:19 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01 5:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01 5:51 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01 6:00 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-02 3:13 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni [this message]
2023-03-02 3:50 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-03-03 3:03 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-02 20:30 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-03-03 3:05 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-03 1:58 ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03 3:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-03 11:32 ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-03 13:11 ` James Bottomley
2023-03-04 7:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-04 13:41 ` James Bottomley
2023-03-04 16:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-05 4:15 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-05 5:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-08 6:11 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-08 7:59 ` Dave Chinner
2023-03-06 12:04 ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-06 3:50 ` James Bottomley
2023-03-04 19:04 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-03 21:45 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-03 22:07 ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03 22:14 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-03 22:32 ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03 23:09 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-16 15:29 ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-03-16 15:41 ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-03-03 23:51 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-03-04 11:08 ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-04 13:24 ` Javier González
2023-03-04 16:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-04 17:17 ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-04 17:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-04 18:53 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-05 3:06 ` Damien Le Moal
2023-03-05 11:22 ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-06 8:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-06 10:05 ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-06 16:12 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-08 17:53 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-08 18:13 ` James Bottomley
2023-03-09 8:04 ` Javier González
2023-03-09 13:11 ` James Bottomley
2023-03-09 14:05 ` Keith Busch
2023-03-09 15:23 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-09 20:49 ` James Bottomley
2023-03-09 21:13 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-09 21:28 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-10 1:16 ` Dan Helmick
2023-03-10 7:59 ` Javier González
2023-03-08 19:35 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-08 19:55 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-03-03 2:54 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-03 3:29 ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03 4:20 ` Theodore Ts'o
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