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From: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 23:39:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cbbea9ecb994df975109d97a7756d73e@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260217154800.GY2995752@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 2026-02-17 15:48, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 01:09:39PM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 01:09:20PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 11:51:20AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>> > 
>> > > In my experience with dealing with `struct page` that is mapped into a
>> > > vma, you need memcpy because the struct might be split across two
>> > > different pages in the vma. The pages are adjacent in userspace's
>> > > address space, but not necessarily adjacent from the kernel's POV.
>> > > 
>> > > So you might end up with something that looks like this:
>> > > 
>> > > struct foo val;
>> > > void *ptr1 = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> > > void *ptr2 = kmap_local_page(p2);
>> > > memcpy(ptr1 + offset, val, PAGE_SIZE - offset);
>> > > memcpy(ptr2, val + offset, sizeof(struct foo) - (PAGE_SIZE - offset));
>> > > kunmap_local(ptr2);
>> > > kunmap_local(ptr1);
>> > 
>> >   barrier();
>> > 
>> > > if (is_valid(&val)) {
>> > >     // use val
>> > > }
>> > > 
>> > > This exact thing happens in Binder. It has to be a memcpy.
>> > 
>> > Sure, but then stick that one barrier() in and you're good.
>> 
>> Are we really good? Consider this code:
>> 
>> 	bool is_valid(struct foo *val)
>> 	{
>> 		// for the sake of example
>> 		return val->my_field != 0;
>> 	}
>> 
>> 	struct foo val;
>> 
>> 	void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> 	memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> 	kunmap_local(p);
>> 	barrier();
>> 	if (is_valid(&val)) {
>> 	    // use val
>> 	}
>> 
>> optimize it into this first:
>> 
>> 	struct foo val;
>> 	int my_field_copy;
>> 
>> 	void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> 	memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> 	my_field_copy = val->my_field;
>> 	kunmap_local(p);
>> 	barrier();
>> 	if (my_field_copy != 0) {
>> 	    // use val
>> 	}
>> 
>> then optimize it into:
>> 
>> 	struct foo val;
>> 	int my_field_copy;
>> 
>> 	void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> 	memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> 	my_field_copy = ((struct foo *) ptr)->my_field;
>> 	kunmap_local(p);
>> 	barrier();
>> 	if (my_field_copy != 0) {
>> 	    // use val
>> 	}
> 
> I don;t think this is allowed. You're lifting the load over the
> barrier(), that is invalid.

This is allowed. Compilers perform escape analysis and find out that
"val" does not escape the function and therefore nothing can change "val".

A simple example to demonstrate this effect is that

    int x = 0;
    x = 1;
    barrier();
    do_something(x);

is happily optimized into

    barrier();
    do_something(1);

by both GCC and Clang. The fact that the local variable here is a struct and
memcpy is used to assign the value here does not make a fundamental difference.

barrier() does nothing to local variables if pointers to them do not escape the
local function.

>> 	int my_field_copy;
>> 
>> 	void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> 	memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> 	my_field_copy = ((struct foo *) ptr)->my_field;
>> 	kunmap_local(p);
>> 	barrier();
>> 	if (my_field_copy != 0) {
>> 	    // use val
>> 	}

Best,
Gary


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-12 14:51 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 16:41 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-12 17:10   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 17:23     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13  9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:18   ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 12:58     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 13:20       ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 14:13         ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 14:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 15:34             ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 15:45               ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 15:58                 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 16:19                   ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17  9:13                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:33                       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17  9:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:01                           ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:25                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:47                               ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 11:09                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 11:51                                   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 12:09                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:00                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:54                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 15:50                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 16:10                                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 13:09                                       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 15:48                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 23:39                                           ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-02-18  8:37                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18  9:31                                               ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:09                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:56                                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 16:04                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 18:43                                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 20:32                                           ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-17 15:52                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17  9:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:37                     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:01                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:33                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-14  0:07               ` Gary Guo

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