From: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 23:39:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cbbea9ecb994df975109d97a7756d73e@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260217154800.GY2995752@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 2026-02-17 15:48, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 01:09:39PM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 01:09:20PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 11:51:20AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>> >
>> > > In my experience with dealing with `struct page` that is mapped into a
>> > > vma, you need memcpy because the struct might be split across two
>> > > different pages in the vma. The pages are adjacent in userspace's
>> > > address space, but not necessarily adjacent from the kernel's POV.
>> > >
>> > > So you might end up with something that looks like this:
>> > >
>> > > struct foo val;
>> > > void *ptr1 = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> > > void *ptr2 = kmap_local_page(p2);
>> > > memcpy(ptr1 + offset, val, PAGE_SIZE - offset);
>> > > memcpy(ptr2, val + offset, sizeof(struct foo) - (PAGE_SIZE - offset));
>> > > kunmap_local(ptr2);
>> > > kunmap_local(ptr1);
>> >
>> > barrier();
>> >
>> > > if (is_valid(&val)) {
>> > > // use val
>> > > }
>> > >
>> > > This exact thing happens in Binder. It has to be a memcpy.
>> >
>> > Sure, but then stick that one barrier() in and you're good.
>>
>> Are we really good? Consider this code:
>>
>> bool is_valid(struct foo *val)
>> {
>> // for the sake of example
>> return val->my_field != 0;
>> }
>>
>> struct foo val;
>>
>> void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> kunmap_local(p);
>> barrier();
>> if (is_valid(&val)) {
>> // use val
>> }
>>
>> optimize it into this first:
>>
>> struct foo val;
>> int my_field_copy;
>>
>> void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> my_field_copy = val->my_field;
>> kunmap_local(p);
>> barrier();
>> if (my_field_copy != 0) {
>> // use val
>> }
>>
>> then optimize it into:
>>
>> struct foo val;
>> int my_field_copy;
>>
>> void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> my_field_copy = ((struct foo *) ptr)->my_field;
>> kunmap_local(p);
>> barrier();
>> if (my_field_copy != 0) {
>> // use val
>> }
>
> I don;t think this is allowed. You're lifting the load over the
> barrier(), that is invalid.
This is allowed. Compilers perform escape analysis and find out that
"val" does not escape the function and therefore nothing can change "val".
A simple example to demonstrate this effect is that
int x = 0;
x = 1;
barrier();
do_something(x);
is happily optimized into
barrier();
do_something(1);
by both GCC and Clang. The fact that the local variable here is a struct and
memcpy is used to assign the value here does not make a fundamental difference.
barrier() does nothing to local variables if pointers to them do not escape the
local function.
>> int my_field_copy;
>>
>> void *ptr = kmap_local_page(p1);
>> memcpy(ptr, val, sizeof(struct foo));
>> my_field_copy = ((struct foo *) ptr)->my_field;
>> kunmap_local(p);
>> barrier();
>> if (my_field_copy != 0) {
>> // use val
>> }
Best,
Gary
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-17 23:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-12 14:51 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 16:41 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-12 17:10 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-12 17:23 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:18 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 12:58 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 13:20 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 14:13 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 15:34 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 15:45 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 15:58 ` Greg KH
2026-02-13 16:19 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 9:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:33 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:01 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 10:47 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 11:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 11:51 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 12:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:54 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 15:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 16:10 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-17 13:09 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 15:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 23:39 ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-02-18 8:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 9:31 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 13:56 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 18:43 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 20:32 ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-17 15:52 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:37 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-14 0:07 ` Gary Guo
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